Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)

Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Fri, 28 February 2020 03:39 UTC

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From: Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:39:16 -0800
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To: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
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> On Feb 27, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote:
> 
> To me, security, robustness, and interoperability are more important
> than performance for end users. We

You chose a 3-tuple to a 1-tuple tradeoff . There is no tradeoff. One must deliver a 4-tuple. 

My 2 cents,
Dino