Re: New Version Notification for draft-resnick-variance-00.txt

"Scott O. Bradner" <sob@sobco.com> Fri, 27 March 2020 22:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-resnick-variance-00.txt
From: "Scott O. Bradner" <sob@sobco.com>
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+1

I have always felt that documenting a process (e..g moving to historic or invoking a variance) should be documented in 
our normal documentation series

Scott

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
> 
> On 3/27/20 6:37 PM, Pete Resnick wrote:
> 
>> On 27 Mar 2020, at 17:22, Keith Moore wrote:
>> 
>>> I think it's perfectly reasonable to publish a BCP for a one-time variance.  On the other hand I think it's a Very Bad Idea to invent a lightweight variance procedure that allows for process exceptions that aren't documented in the normal means, and which fragment the historical record.   Though I don't doubt anyone's intentions here, a lightweight variance procedure will sooner or later inevitably be misused.    Also, it's never a great idea to hurriedly invent new process when doing so can be avoided.
>> 
>> If you read my draft, you'll notice that for all intents and purposes, all of the procedures of publishing a BCP are required anyway: It requires a written draft, a minimum 4-week last call, and a conclusion of consensus by the IESG. The only thing that is different is that it doesn't require publication as an RFC, addition to the BCP series, or an additional RFC or moving it to Historic when it no longer applies (because, as the draft says, it can't last longer than a year without actually publishing a BCP). So I don't see what the misuse vector you're seeing is.
> 
> The problem I have is with not publishing as an RFC.   I don't think people should have to dig through email archives (which are not as reliably archived as the RFC series)  to find out what the whole IETF process is, or even the evolution history of the IETF process.   I think even brief deviations from the process should be archived the same as any other changes to the process.
> 
> But I'll flip this on its head: why did we suddenly become so concerned about the overhead of publishing a single RFC, when as far as I can tell we've had a pretty low bar for RFC publication all along?
> 
> Keith
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