Re: New Version Notification for draft-resnick-variance-00.txt

Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 27 March 2020 21:44 UTC

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From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 16:43:39 -0500
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Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-resnick-variance-00.txt
To: Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net>
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Hi, Pete,

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3933 would be almost perfect for this except
that it takes too long for an existential emergency (which I believe
seating a Nomcom that the community should be seated would qualify).
Perhaps it's worth explaining why that BCP isn't appropriate in this case.

Other than that, I'd only suggest using a numbered list in Section 2 so
people can follow the steps more clearly.

And thanks for taking this on.

Spencer, who would be fine if the community just said "Do The Right Thing.
no process change required", but who would feel better if we knew the
community had said that ...

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 3:03 PM Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net> wrote:

> When I posted my suggestion for the short-term fix for the 2020-2021
> NomCom, I mentioned that we would have to publish it as a BCP. Offline,
> Barry asked me why I thought publishing a new BCP was necessary for this
> one-off exception. But we don't have a mechanism in the IETF to directly
> violate a requirement of a BCP without writing another BCP. (Even the
> variance procedure for the standards-track document process defined in
> 2026 section 9 requires a published BCP.) He suggested that maybe we
> should have a process to do so. So I wrote a 3-page (well, 2-page plus
> boilerplate) BCP for a variance procedure for one-off or short-lived
> circumstances. I stole most of the text from 2026 section 9. If folks
> think this is sane, this will give us a simple procedure for saying,
> "Crazy thing happened that doesn't need to be documented beyond the
> mailing list and the IETF web site."
>
> pr
> --
> Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/
> All connections to the world are tenuous at best
>
> Forwarded message:
>
> > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > To: Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net>, Peter W. Resnick
> > <resnick@episteme.net>
> > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-resnick-variance-00.txt
> > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:00:54 -0700
> >
> > A new version of I-D, draft-resnick-variance-00.txt
> > has been successfully submitted by Peter W. Resnick and posted to the
> > IETF repository.
> >
> > Name:         draft-resnick-variance
> > Revision:     00
> > Title:                Variances to Provisions of Best Current Practices
> > Document date:        2020-03-27
> > Group:                Individual Submission
> > Pages:                3
> > URL:
> > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-resnick-variance-00.txt
> > Status:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-resnick-variance/
> > Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-resnick-variance-00
> > Htmlized:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-resnick-variance
> >
> >
> > Abstract:
> >    From time to time, there are unforeseen circumstances which make
> >    following the requirements of a Best Current Practice (BCP)
> >    untenable, or where the procedures described in the BCP gives no
> >    guidance.  This document defines a process for the IETF to grant a
> >    variance to any IETF process for a single use or of very short
> >    duration.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> > submission
> > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
> >
> > The IETF Secretariat
>
>