Re: New Version Notification for draft-resnick-variance-00.txt

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 28 March 2020 20:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-resnick-variance-00.txt
To: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On 29-Mar-20 08:55, S Moonesamy wrote:
> At 07:20 AM 28-03-2020, Barry Leiba wrote:
>> (Not picking Keith's comment, in particular: it was just convenient to
>> use for the reply here.)
> 
> In my opinion, Keith is correct.
> 
>> For those of you who think the IESG should not (or is not allowed to)
>> exercise judgment here and make a one-time exception for this
>> exceptional situation:
> 
> What is the meaning of "exercise judgement"? Is it something along 
> the lines of an IESG Statement?

An IESG Statement is how the IESG announces formal decisions that are outside the normal flow. "Exercise judgement" in English is a standard phrase, but the Collins dictionary entry says:

>> If you exercise something such as your authority, your rights, or a good quality, you use it or put it into effect.

When the IETF hits an urgent procedural problem that the written rules don't cover, it has always been the case that we expect the IESG to exercise its judgement after consulting the community. We have many precedents for that.

>> Please advise how you think we can get the NomCom eligibility question
>> sorted out IN TIME to seat a 2020-21 NomCom, when we normally need to
>> ask for volunteers within the next 6 weeks.
> 
> Why is the above a problem for 2020/21?

That one out of the last five meetings was cancelled after many people had made their travel plans. That is not foreseen in the rules.
 
> The NomCom Chair is responsible for running the part of the process 
> in which volunteers are selected.

The NomCom Chair has not been appointed, and is subject to the same eligibility rules as the volunteer pool. At the moment, the ISOC President cannot appoint a chair because he cannot know who is eligible. So we are in a vacuum until the IESG exercises its judgement. (Which is why I don't think we should go the draft-resnick-variance route.)

Stay well,
    Brian