Re: The IETF duty for Carbon emissions, energy use &ct.

At 04:30 PM 10/15/2007, Joel Jaeggli wrote:

>Daniel Senie wrote:
> > At 01:29 PM 10/15/2007, John Leslie wrote:
> >
> >> Hallam-Baker, Phillip <pbaker@verisign.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Whether your objective is to reduce carbon emissions because of
> >> > global warming concerns or reduce dependence on fossil fuels that are
> >> > increasingly in short supply, there is a real incentive to reduce
> >> > energy use.
> >> >
> >> > If teleconferencing actually worked the need to hold face to face
> >> > meetings would be reduced.
> >>
> >>    I am constantly surprised how little interest there is within IETF
> >> for teleconferecing that works well.
> >
> > Indeed. I raised this point over the years. Even offering to pay a
> > "remote attendance fee" if there were in fact the ability to see and
> > hear sessions, and participate. The IETF for many years crowed about the
> > Mbone connectivity as being innovative, but got stuck there, and didn't
> > progress when comercial solutions bypassed that flawed technology.
>
>I don't recall crowing about multicast.
>
>I also don't recall you volunteering to show up and help enable remote
>participation...

No. I offered that I would pay a fee and NOT show up.

>The volunteers built a model that was sustainable with a modest amount
>of capital and time. both jabber and and streaming audio.
>
>I respectfully suggest that if you put more in, you might get more out.

So in order to participate remotely, I needed to show up and run 
cameras. I'm sorry, but that does not make sense. I'm also sorry if 
you thought I was criticizing the people who put in the time to 
broadcast the meetings over Mbone. It was a great effort. Not one I 
could watch, mind you, since multicast connectivity didn't reach most 
of the places I've worked, but nice that someone did it nonetheless.

What I suggested, at plenaries and such, was that I would have been 
happy to pay a meeting fee, despite not being there, if the money 
went toward interactive, remote attendance instead of to cookies, ice 
cream, pretzels and danish. 

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