RE: Travel Considerations

If 1000 fewer people board planes, I'm pretty sure it consumes some trivial amount less in jet fuel, simply due to the lighter weight of the plane.  But that difference would be more than made up by the proximity of the hotel to the airport and available mass transit to it, which would put San Diego's Sheraton pretty high up on the list.

Also, there is probably some proportional relationship of how many people attend the IETF meetings compared to the reachability of their locations; so having it at hub airports may be worse, and we should really have it at less accessible destinations... such as an island in the middle of a big ocean.  Therefore, I vote for Kauai, Hawaii, as the future permanent host island.

-hadriel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Harkins [mailto:dharkins@lounge.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 5:03 PM
> To: James M. Polk
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Travel Considerations
>
>
>   Hi James,
>
>   I think you're missing the point. I'm not advocating being wasteful
> because everyone else is. I'm saying that this effort is futile and
> will not result in _any_ "win" for the planet. Your analogy to driving
> an SUV is incorrect because not driving the SUV (or driving an
> electric car instead) results in less emissions. A trivial amount but
> every little bit helps. Flying 1000 people to Frankfurt instead of
> Prague does not result in any less emissions. Encouraging other
> organizations to follow our lead-- having 10000 people scattered over
> the course of a year fly to a hub instead of through the hub to a
> spoke-- won't either. The demand is still there to fly to places like
> Prague and San Diego and airlines typically fly at less than 100%
> capacity, sometimes significantly so.
>
>   If you think there is an individual responsibility to change what
> you can then please don't waste your effort on something that won't
> have any effect! Do something that will make a difference.
>
>   I for one would rather fly to (spoke) Prague than (hub) Frankfurt;
> to (spoke) San Diego than to (hub) Chicago; and anywhere (spoke) on
> God's green earth (yes, it's still green in spite of the IETF World
> Tour) than (hub) London.
>
>   Dan.
>

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