RE: Travel Considerations

["Eric Gray" <[e-mail]>]

Wow, has this conversation wandered into the weeds, or what?

Time out for station identification; this is the "Internet
Engineering Task Force."

Thanks!

--
Eric Gray
Principal Engineer
Ericsson  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James M. Polk [mailto:[e-mail]] 
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:18 PM
> To: Dan Harkins; Eric Burger
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Travel Considerations
> 
> Unfortunately, using this logic -- I can buy a tank and get 2 
> gallons-to-the-mile mileage because the rest of the planet (or at 
> least America) is still buying SUVs that get horrible mileage too, 
> since there will be nearly an unmeasurable difference to global 
> warming if I drive my tank or not... so why not drive it anyway.
> 
> There is an individual responsibility to change what we each can 
> change to help.  As an organization, we can have a greater positive 
> affect if we reduce demand for such spoke flights by only flying to 
> hub sites of major airlines -- if we're going to continue to 
> meet in person.
> 
> If other organizations see ours as an example, and do the same, then 
> the positive affect is greater on us doing the right thing...
> 
> Doing the right thing in mass has to start somewhere -- why does it 
> have to start somewhere else here?
> 
> It's Friday...
> 
> At 01:30 PM 10/12/2007, Dan Harkins wrote:
> 
> >   You're assuming that if 1000 people decide not to fly to Prague
> >some weekend that the number of planes burning jet fuel to fly there
> >will be different. I don't think so.
> >
> >   Maybe you can start a "Boycott Prague The Spoke City" 
> campaign which,
> >if wildly successful, will reduce demand to fly there by 
> some discernable
> >amount and thereby reduce the number of planes flying there 
> and the amount
> >of jet fuel they would've burned. Well, as long as the 
> planes that aren't
> >flying to Prague aren't used to fly to Heathrow or Frankfurt 
> or some other
> >hub city. Also doubtful.
> >
> >   I do not intend on making ietf-discuss into a forum for discussing
> >the pluses and minuses resulting from a degree centigrade temperature
> >change but let me just say that "the planet wins" is a 
> somewhat dubious
> >statement.
> >
> >   Dan.
> >
> >On Fri, October 12, 2007 7:32 am, Eric Burger wrote:
> > > Here is an interesting optimization problem: it turns out the most
> > > polluting part of a conference is people taking jets to fly to the
> > > conference.  Minimize that and the planet wins.  Favors 
> hub cities over
> > > spokes, like San Diego or Prague, where you "can't get 
> there from here",
> > > no matter where "here" is.
> > >
> > > See http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/318/5847/36.pdf
> > >
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