Re: Last Call on draft-ietf-pim-registry-03.txt

Mykyta Yevstifeyev <evnikita2@gmail.com> Thu, 13 January 2011 16:11 UTC

Return-Path: <evnikita2@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749973A6BAB for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:11:42 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.287
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.649, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Ph+x8Cbf1XR for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:11:41 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF683A6BA0 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:11:40 -0800 (PST)
Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so1793764bwz.31 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:14:03 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=QrI72wRZT2waozV+Kx4Ocw8Qwa0Q16aU4yKVGjrmtRY=; b=oM5Pkht4qme6IwI0vKapIpMfPfDY2L1vIUAHx+/wDqzgEJxyOAOs2zOxAHziBZivwc EvW7zitb9mGnDPzdQ4De1NpaLOJZifjVE4Bjn3WFCb+0XFCWrX0894d+yoDovXcuaVJM TWY8X8JaJZ9WZtQhAfHfUwpSePXdYrv6GxM5I=
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=nxzOOrJFGCex73Ic+Ckus4140fOFDo7dVPwk+jeFLZseVkAM1VRBz3qbOhg1eITPiZ w8CjBMVUr3WAWtF9VOxDMjBGLlOUEwkLgsbvletdX9YSMRCpH5UDIAOQy3Wwu4spt/Gd Nft1SbKmxryEXXaUbeLFi7cJninW2Nk8LGeDM=
Received: by 10.204.62.73 with SMTP id w9mr1922102bkh.11.1294935243184; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:14:03 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([195.191.104.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b6sm758591bkb.10.2011.01.13.08.14.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:14:02 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <4D2F24DC.4070908@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:14:20 +0200
From: Mykyta Yevstifeyev <evnikita2@gmail.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ru; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: Last Call on draft-ietf-pim-registry-03.txt
References: <AANLkTin+wxG6oSrvux6DuqZNA1hLGALmozfxzhhGxT3+@mail.gmail.com> <01bc01cbb25c$41590700$c40b1500$@huawei.com> <4D2DB36C.7070107@gmx.de> <01da01cbb264$2f1462d0$8d3d2870$@huawei.com> <4D2DBC48.2080302@gmx.de> <AANLkTikTks15pML38XSAuJZY-yRmDXdQBhe12ynWq+Pz@mail.gmail.com> <0FCCAC8F1FBB48FDA5A5C347233271AA@DougEwell> <4D2EB195.60604@gmx.de> <AANLkTi=6pMxR56z3safr3gQ0q8Aw8sJ3WAcRfwOuNiUk@mail.gmail.com> <4D2EE2A7.5060805@gmx.de> <4D2F1F8F.5060304@gmail.com> <4D2F211E.4080207@gmx.de> <4D2F2385.6050301@gmail.com> <4D2F2402.401@gmx.de>
In-Reply-To: <4D2F2402.401@gmx.de>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030807000008040807040605"
Cc: The IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:11:42 -0000

13.01.2011 18:10, Julian Reschke wrote:
> On 13.01.2011 17:08, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote:
>> 13.01.2011 17:58, Julian Reschke wrote:
>>> On 13.01.2011 16:51, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>> That sounds like an editorial error to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> "any ranges to be *reserved* for .... "Unassigned"..."
>>>>>
>>>>> doesn't make any sense at all. They are not reserved.
>>>> Yes, that is a type of error, but the meaning is that unassigned and
>>>> reserved values MUST (yes, must, that is in RFC 5226; see citation
>>>> below) be mentioned.
>>>
>>> I do not see a citation "below".
>> I meant in the previous message.
>
> Please cite where the spec says "must" or "MUST".
That is a citation of RFC 5226

<...>
Documents that create a new namespace (or modify the definition of an
existing space) and that expect IANA to play a role in maintaining
that space (e.g., serving as a repository for registered values) MUST
provide clear instructions on details of the namespace.  In
particular, instructions *MUST* include:
<...>
5) Initial assignments and reservations.  Clear instructions should be
provided to identify any initial assignments or registrations.  In
addition, any ranges that are to be reserved  for "Private Use",
"Reserved", **"Unassigned"**, etc. should be *clearly indicated*.
<...>
>
>> ...
>>>> The strings registries are rather exceptions from the rule I cited
>>>> above.
>>>
>>> Well, we have many of them. The rules should takes those into account.
>> That, IMO, was the mistake of authors of RFC 5226 that didn't take the
>> text registries into considerations. We have no way to correct that now.
>> ...
>
> We can raise errata, and have the authors and the IESG approve them. 
> We can also use common sense, and note that IANA apparently doesn't 
> enforce these rules when they do not make sense.
>
> Best regards, Julian
>