Re: Registration open for IETF 114
Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org> Fri, 13 May 2022 17:11 UTC
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From: Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
Cc: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>, Mary B <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com>, Anupam Agrawal <anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com>, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Registration open for IETF 114
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 13:04:41 -0400
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So sign up for remote attendance, pay the fee (or get a waiver), and attend the WG sessions from the hotel hallway on a laptop. Since IETF picks functional full-service conference hotels this is very doable. The hallway and coffee shop/bar/restaurant meetings are the most valuable thing that cannot be recreated with remote participation in any case, and there's no fee for those. Thanks, Chris. Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> writes: > On 5/13/22 11:15, Livingood, Jason wrote: > >> The fee waivers are currently for remote participation. If someone has no or >> low income, it seems logical that they will be unable to afford airfare and >> hotels, etc. In which case they are participating in a low cost remote manner >> and can apply for a fee waiver. > > Those are really not valid assumptions. I've often found ways to save > tremendously on airfare, lodging, or both. Sometimes I had a friend living > nearby with whom I could stay. Sometimes the conference was within a > reasonable driving distance. Sometimes I have had a sponsor who was willing to > pay for airfare, or meeting fee, but not both. Sometimes with diligent > shopping, I've found great deals on travel, even if it meant I had to drive a > few hours each way to an airport with a low fare. Sometimes I've been able to > use frequent flyer miles left over from years ago when I traveled frequently. > > And remote participation, while certainly better than nothing, is not usually an > adequate substitute for being there. > > I also think it's really easy for people who are funded by their employers to > assume that other participants "should" be like them - e.g someone who is > qualified to participate in IETF will have a job that pays for their travel and > meeting fees. But in talking to other attendees at several IETF conferences > over the years, I've found that this simply isn't true. I've talked to many > extremely qualified and valuable participants whose jobs really aren't about > protocol design and whose employers don't really support their IETF work, or > only support it partially. (Perhaps people don't always like to say so, > though, out of concern of being seen as less legitimate by other "professionals" > at IETF.) > > Keith
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