Re: [Ietf108planning] Assessment criteria for decision on in-person/virtual IETF 108

Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Fri, 17 April 2020 13:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ietf108planning] Assessment criteria for decision on in-person/virtual IETF 108
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Jay

Whilst I understand that the focus is on IETF108, this dreadful illness is likely to be with us until there is a reliable vaccine widely available. So even it it is under control there will likely be a reservoir of infection for a while and a risk that an IETF participant will fall ill with it during a meeting. 

That means that we have to consider not only what happens with IETF109 in terms of virtual/F2F but also, if it is F2F whether the medical resources in Bangkok are such that attendees would be comfortable with the quality and quantity of available care and treatment in that city should they be struck by the covid infection during the meeting.

I am not sure which is the best venue from that point of view, but serious consideration should be given to moving the meeting to a place where a significant majority are happy with the medical facilities.

Best regards

Stewart