Re: [Int-dir] [ipwave] Intdir early review of draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 - ref to 802.11 standard - free or not free

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

Hi Charlie,
Thank you very much for the offer.

At this time I do not need the pdf.  An interest I might have in it is 
to identify (1) how the 6lo RFCs are cited inside and (2) what does it 
say about bridging.  The first has an effect on Pascal claims, and the 
second on my Ethernet Adaptation Layer description.  But I can do that 
reading later.  Another reason I dont ask you for it is because I cant 
suggest anything else than dropbox or similar, and I suppose you would 
not upload it if it were not free.

At this time I am interested to know whether a person lambda can access 
the 802.11-2016 document.  I think s/he can not.  It is not free access.

It is because I need to refer to it in the OCB document.  Currently, the 
OCB document says only a description of the 802.11-2016 document is 
available for free, not the document itself (remark "Description 
retrieved freely", instead of "freely available"):

>     <reference anchor="IEEE-802.11-2016" >
>         <front>
>           <title>
>             IEEE Standard 802.11-2016 - IEEE Standard for Information
>             Technology - Telecommunications and information exchange
>             between systems Local and metropolitan area networks -
>             Specific requirements - Part 11: Wireless LAN Medium
>             Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY)
>             Specifications. Status - Active Standard.  Description
>             retrieved freely on September 12th, 2017, at URL
>             https://standards.ieee.org/findstds/standard/802.11-2016.html
>           </title>
>           <author/>
>           <date/>
>         </front>
>       </reference>

Alex

Le 08/04/2019 à 17:08, Charlie Perkins a écrit :
> Hello Alex,
> 
> I have the file for you.  It's 37 Mb and so probably won't fit in your 
> email.  Where would you like for me to put it?
> 
> Regards,
> Charlie P.
> 
> 
> On 4/8/2019 7:12 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>>
>>
>> Le 08/04/2019 à 16:01, Joel M. Halpern a écrit :
>>> Following the link Pascal provided, I get a summary page, witha pdf 
>>> link.
>>> If I follow that link, it offers me a free login to get the document.
>>> So yes, it is available for free.
>>
>> Joël,
>>
>> I am sorry.  I may misunderstand.
>>
>> But please click and then tell whether you get the document, or not.
>>
>> I have the same feedback from a co-author.  I asked him the same. I 
>> have no answer.
>>
>> I am sorry if I ask too much.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> On 4/8/19 3:35 PM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>>>> Pascal,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to clarify this.
>>>>
>>>> At this time I dont have access to 802.11 standard.  I dont think 
>>>> you have access either, other than via your organisation maybe, but 
>>>> not as an individual.
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know whether you have free access?
>>>>
>>>> Can you click and get the document now?
>>>>
>>>> Many people say IEEE 802.11-2016 is free, but it depends what they 
>>>> mean by free. At this time I understand it can be "*Please note: 
>>>> free consultation available to organizations only, not for 
>>>> individuals or students."
>>>>
>>>> I would like to debug this to better understand.  Web browsing is 
>>>> not easy.
>>>>
>>>> The page you point to leads to this figure 
>>>> (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7786995)
>>>>
>>>> Remark "You do not have access to this PDF" when rolling the mouse 
>>>> over the small red "PDF" button which becomes black.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then, I click on that PDF button and I obtain this login page.  This 
>>>> login page says that I should Sign In to access this free standard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That requests to create an account.  I try to create an account.
>>>>
>>>> Then that says "Thank you for your submission", and "An IEEE Content 
>>>> Specialist will contact you soon".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> Le 08/04/2019 à 15:13, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) a écrit :
>>>>> "
>>>>> The PDF of this standard is available at no cost compliments of the 
>>>>> IEEE GET 
>>>>> programhttp://ieeexplore.ieee.org/browse/standards/get-program/page/)
>>>>> "
>>>>> =>https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7786995
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Alexandre Petrescu<[e-mail]>
>>>>>> Sent: lundi 8 avril 2019 18:42
>>>>>> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert)<[e-mail]>
>>>>>> Cc:[e-mail];[e-mail];[e-mail]; 
>>>>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-
>>>>>> [e-mail]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Intdir early review of 
>>>>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 -
>>>>>> ref ro 802.11 standard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 04/03/2019 à 12:24, Pascal Thubert a écrit :
>>>>>>> Reviewer: Pascal Thubert
>>>>>>> Review result: Not Ready
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nits
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>      IP packets MUST be transmitted over 802.11-OCB media as QoS 
>>>>>>> Data
>>>>>>>      frames whose format is specified in IEEE Std 802.11.
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>> Please add link to the reference
>>>>>> I added like below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But beware that:
>>>>>> - it is the third time we refer to this document in the text.
>>>>>> - the document behind the URL is behind a paywall, even though the
>>>>>>     description of the document is free of access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NEW:
>>>>>>>     IP packets MUST be transmitted over 802.11-OCB media as QoS Data
>>>>>>>     frames whose format is specified in IEEE 802.11(TM) -2016
>>>>>>>     [IEEE-802.11-2016].
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>     [IEEE-802.11-2016]
>>>>>>>                "IEEE Standard 802.11-2016 - IEEE Standard for 
>>>>>>> Information
>>>>>>>                Technology - Telecommunications and information 
>>>>>>> exchange
>>>>>>>                between systems Local and metropolitan area 
>>>>>>> networks -
>>>>>>>                Specific requirements - Part 11: Wireless LAN Medium
>>>>>>>                Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY)
>>>>>>>                Specifications. Status - Active Standard. Description
>>>>>>>                retrieved freely on September 12th, 2017, at URL
>>>>>>>                https://standards.ieee.org/findstds/
>>>>>>>                standard/802.11-2016.html".
>>>>>> Alex
>>>
>>
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