Re: [Int-dir] Intdir early review of draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 - ref to 802.11 standard - free or not free

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

Le 08/04/2019 à 16:01, Joel M. Halpern a écrit :
> Following the link Pascal provided, I get a summary page, witha pdf link.
> If I follow that link, it offers me a free login to get the document.
> So yes, it is available for free.

Joël,

I am sorry.  I may misunderstand.

But please click and then tell whether you get the document, or not.

I have the same feedback from a co-author.  I asked him the same.  I 
have no answer.

I am sorry if I ask too much.

Alex

> 
> Yours,
> Joel
> 
> On 4/8/19 3:35 PM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>> Pascal,
>>
>> I would like to clarify this.
>>
>> At this time I dont have access to 802.11 standard.  I dont think you 
>> have access either, other than via your organisation maybe, but not as 
>> an individual.
>>
>> Please let me know whether you have free access?
>>
>> Can you click and get the document now?
>>
>> Many people say IEEE 802.11-2016 is free, but it depends what they 
>> mean by free. At this time I understand it can be "*Please note: free 
>> consultation available to organizations only, not for individuals or 
>> students."
>>
>> I would like to debug this to better understand.  Web browsing is not 
>> easy.
>>
>> The page you point to leads to this figure 
>> (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7786995)
>>
>> Remark "You do not have access to this PDF" when rolling the mouse 
>> over the small red "PDF" button which becomes black.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then, I click on that PDF button and I obtain this login page.  This 
>> login page says that I should Sign In to access this free standard.
>>
>>
>> That requests to create an account.  I try to create an account.
>>
>> Then that says "Thank you for your submission", and "An IEEE Content 
>> Specialist will contact you soon".
>>
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> Le 08/04/2019 à 15:13, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) a écrit :
>>> "
>>> The PDF of this standard is available at no cost compliments of the 
>>> IEEE GET 
>>> programhttp://ieeexplore.ieee.org/browse/standards/get-program/page/)
>>> "
>>> =>https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7786995
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Pascal
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alexandre Petrescu<[e-mail]>
>>>> Sent: lundi 8 avril 2019 18:42
>>>> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert)<[e-mail]>
>>>> Cc:[e-mail];[e-mail];[e-mail]; 
>>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-
>>>> [e-mail]
>>>> Subject: Re: Intdir early review of 
>>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 -
>>>> ref ro 802.11 standard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 04/03/2019 à 12:24, Pascal Thubert a écrit :
>>>>> Reviewer: Pascal Thubert
>>>>> Review result: Not Ready
>>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> Nits
>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>> "
>>>>>      IP packets MUST be transmitted over 802.11-OCB media as QoS Data
>>>>>      frames whose format is specified in IEEE Std 802.11.
>>>>> "
>>>>> Please add link to the reference
>>>> I added like below.
>>>>
>>>> But beware that:
>>>> - it is the third time we refer to this document in the text.
>>>> - the document behind the URL is behind a paywall, even though the
>>>>     description of the document is free of access.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NEW:
>>>>>     IP packets MUST be transmitted over 802.11-OCB media as QoS Data
>>>>>     frames whose format is specified in IEEE 802.11(TM) -2016
>>>>>     [IEEE-802.11-2016].
>>>> [...]
>>>>>     [IEEE-802.11-2016]
>>>>>                "IEEE Standard 802.11-2016 - IEEE Standard for 
>>>>> Information
>>>>>                Technology - Telecommunications and information 
>>>>> exchange
>>>>>                between systems Local and metropolitan area networks -
>>>>>                Specific requirements - Part 11: Wireless LAN Medium
>>>>>                Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY)
>>>>>                Specifications. Status - Active Standard.  Description
>>>>>                retrieved freely on September 12th, 2017, at URL
>>>>>                https://standards.ieee.org/findstds/
>>>>>                standard/802.11-2016.html".
>>>> Alex
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