Re: [Int-dir] [ipwave] Intdir early review of draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 - ref to 802.11 standard - free or not free

[Charlie Perkins <[e-mail]>]

Hello Alex,

I have the file for you.  It's 37 Mb and so probably won't fit in your 
email.  Where would you like for me to put it?

Regards,
Charlie P.


On 4/8/2019 7:12 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>
>
> Le 08/04/2019 à 16:01, Joel M. Halpern a écrit :
>> Following the link Pascal provided, I get a summary page, witha pdf 
>> link.
>> If I follow that link, it offers me a free login to get the document.
>> So yes, it is available for free.
>
> Joël,
>
> I am sorry.  I may misunderstand.
>
> But please click and then tell whether you get the document, or not.
>
> I have the same feedback from a co-author.  I asked him the same. I 
> have no answer.
>
> I am sorry if I ask too much.
>
> Alex
>
>>
>> Yours,
>> Joel
>>
>> On 4/8/19 3:35 PM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>>> Pascal,
>>>
>>> I would like to clarify this.
>>>
>>> At this time I dont have access to 802.11 standard.  I dont think 
>>> you have access either, other than via your organisation maybe, but 
>>> not as an individual.
>>>
>>> Please let me know whether you have free access?
>>>
>>> Can you click and get the document now?
>>>
>>> Many people say IEEE 802.11-2016 is free, but it depends what they 
>>> mean by free. At this time I understand it can be "*Please note: 
>>> free consultation available to organizations only, not for 
>>> individuals or students."
>>>
>>> I would like to debug this to better understand.  Web browsing is 
>>> not easy.
>>>
>>> The page you point to leads to this figure 
>>> (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7786995)
>>>
>>> Remark "You do not have access to this PDF" when rolling the mouse 
>>> over the small red "PDF" button which becomes black.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then, I click on that PDF button and I obtain this login page.  This 
>>> login page says that I should Sign In to access this free standard.
>>>
>>>
>>> That requests to create an account.  I try to create an account.
>>>
>>> Then that says "Thank you for your submission", and "An IEEE Content 
>>> Specialist will contact you soon".
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> Le 08/04/2019 à 15:13, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) a écrit :
>>>> "
>>>> The PDF of this standard is available at no cost compliments of the 
>>>> IEEE GET 
>>>> programhttp://ieeexplore.ieee.org/browse/standards/get-program/page/)
>>>> "
>>>> =>https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7786995
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Pascal
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Alexandre Petrescu<[e-mail]>
>>>>> Sent: lundi 8 avril 2019 18:42
>>>>> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert)<[e-mail]>
>>>>> Cc:[e-mail];[e-mail];[e-mail]; 
>>>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-
>>>>> [e-mail]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Intdir early review of 
>>>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 -
>>>>> ref ro 802.11 standard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 04/03/2019 à 12:24, Pascal Thubert a écrit :
>>>>>> Reviewer: Pascal Thubert
>>>>>> Review result: Not Ready
>>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nits
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "
>>>>>>      IP packets MUST be transmitted over 802.11-OCB media as QoS 
>>>>>> Data
>>>>>>      frames whose format is specified in IEEE Std 802.11.
>>>>>> "
>>>>>> Please add link to the reference
>>>>> I added like below.
>>>>>
>>>>> But beware that:
>>>>> - it is the third time we refer to this document in the text.
>>>>> - the document behind the URL is behind a paywall, even though the
>>>>>     description of the document is free of access.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NEW:
>>>>>>     IP packets MUST be transmitted over 802.11-OCB media as QoS Data
>>>>>>     frames whose format is specified in IEEE 802.11(TM) -2016
>>>>>>     [IEEE-802.11-2016].
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>     [IEEE-802.11-2016]
>>>>>>                "IEEE Standard 802.11-2016 - IEEE Standard for 
>>>>>> Information
>>>>>>                Technology - Telecommunications and information 
>>>>>> exchange
>>>>>>                between systems Local and metropolitan area 
>>>>>> networks -
>>>>>>                Specific requirements - Part 11: Wireless LAN Medium
>>>>>>                Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY)
>>>>>>                Specifications. Status - Active Standard.  
>>>>>> Description
>>>>>>                retrieved freely on September 12th, 2017, at URL
>>>>>>                https://standards.ieee.org/findstds/
>>>>>>                standard/802.11-2016.html".
>>>>> Alex
>>
>
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