Re: [Int-dir] 118
Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Thu, 18 April 2019 21:45 UTC
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To: 神明達哉 <jinmei@wide.ad.jp>
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From: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
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Le 18/04/2019 à 23:34, 神明達哉 a écrit : > At Thu, 18 Apr 2019 22:32:27 +0200, > Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com > <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I personally suggest this specification stick to > > > the current status quo, i.e., 64-bit IID length, so that new > > > developers can develop interoperable implementations without > > > ambiguity. At the very least, this approach doesn't impose any new > > > procedural bar and will help publish it sooner. > > > > This is your recommendatio, but not the recommendation from AD. The > > recommendation from AD, if I understand it correctly, is to stay silent > > about this, and get the IID length through 6man. > > This is a verbatim copy of Shresh's word: > > >> I would like to look at this from a different angle. It is clear > from the current standards that you need to be using fe80::/64 to form > the LL address as the IPv6 address architecture requires the IID to be > 64 bits long (for non b000 prefixes) and SLAAC requires the prefix and > the IID lengths to add up to 128. If you want this changed, I don’t > think this is the document where you should do it. The *burden of proof > is on you* to show why the status quo does not work in this case and > IMHO it has not been meet. > > >> I would request that you keep the link-local prefix length > discussion out of this draft, and in 6man where it belongs. Here is the > thread that you started in January this year in 6man > > >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/SD0OSOxFe9UGExX84u_CQSdfOsM > > >> and the associated draft > > >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-petrescu-6man-ll-prefix-len/ > > >> If you wish to pursue this topic further, please do so with *that* > draft. An IP-over-foo document is not a place to do such a major > architectural change. > > It actually seems to be essentially the same as my own personal > suggestion: I would interpret it as: "you should use fe80::/64 > according to the current standard; if you want to change it, bring it > to 6man", no? No. HE first says what he thinks as a participant (he thinks 64 is the rule). Then he becomes AD and says that if I want that changed it is not in OCB document, but in 6man WG. > > But yes, it's still just my personal suggestion, and I'm not even an > assigned int-dir reviewer, let alone an AD. I don't have any power > (or intent) to dictate which approach this draft must take in the end. > It's ultimately up to you and the WG. I believe I was clear about > that in my previous message. > > I still made this suggestion, since if the length of IID is kept > ambiguous I'd certainly raise the same point if and when it reaches an > IETF last call, as a co-author of RFC4862. But if you'd rather defer > the discussion until that point, please feel free to ignore it in this > thread; I'm already feeling quite guilty about "stealing" a thread > started by a draft review by another int-dir member. The IID len is ambiguous now in IP-over-OCB draft. The IID len should be fixed quickly in 6man. They cant delay this IP-over-OCB document with infinite discussions. > >> Separately, if you believe your cause is strong enough to change the > >> current standard, you can try it at 6man so a non-0 value in the > >> intermediate 54-bit field can be validly used. IPv6-over-COB can be > >> subsequently updated to reflect that. > > > YEs, let us try that. > > > I would like to ask you: would you support such a proposal in 6man? > > Right now, I'm not convinced. But I'm open to discussion. That's why > I asked you to write a draft with the proposal and with detailed > explanation of why it needs to change. Once I understand it I may or > may not support it. So, > > > OR are you redirecting me there in the hope 6man will discard my > > proposal and I come back to your initial suggestion? > > (the ping pong effect) > > of course not. But I expect your proposal will be quite controversial > and take a long time. I also admit I *expect* its odds are low and it's > quite possible that you end up falling back to the status quo; > changing a long standing standard is always hard. But that doesn't > mean I *hope* it will fail (also, my expectation can prove incorrect). This is a structural problem. If you direct us to 6MAN and know and assume the variable len IID gets stuck there then you should not direct as there. Alex > -- > JINMEI, Tatuya
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- Re: [Int-dir] side note RFC 4291 2nd par sec. 2.1… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Int-dir] draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211oc… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 神明達哉
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Int-dir] draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211oc… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 神明達哉
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 神明達哉
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 Suresh Krishnan
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 神明達哉
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Int-dir] [ipwave] Expertise on ND problems o… Carsten Bormann
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- Re: [Int-dir] [ipwave] Expertise on ND problems o… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)