RE: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?]
Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard@huawei.com> Mon, 26 September 2022 08:26 UTC
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From: Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard@huawei.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?]
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> Now as to how to fix this without a global precedence for ULAs, I am > wondering about a PIO with L=0 and A=0 (exactly as recommended in RFC > 8028, but for other reasons). If a host sees such a PIO for a ULA > prefix, it could serve as a signal that the prefix is to be given a > suitable precedence, even though it is not on-link and not used for > SLAAC. >I really like this. >I think it is the best solution. But how remote ULA prefix would be known to the local router? If proper routing is in place then no problem exists in the first place, the whole FC/7 could be prioritized. Ed/ -----Original Message----- From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Michael Richardson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 12:19 AM To: 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org> Subject: Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > Now as to how to fix this without a global precedence for ULAs, I am > wondering about a PIO with L=0 and A=0 (exactly as recommended in RFC > 8028, but for other reasons). If a host sees such a PIO for a ULA > prefix, it could serve as a signal that the prefix is to be given a > suitable precedence, even though it is not on-link and not used for > SLAAC. I really like this. I think it is the best solution. (I think that really what we are asking for is that L/A bits are simply ignored when it comes to adjusting the prefix precedence) Brian also said: bc> I think we need to say a little more, since the network merge case bc> was one of the original motivations for ULAs in the first place bc> (otherwise, statistical uniqueness has no real value). I actually think that the uniqueness has value even when the networks do not merge :-) David Farmer wrote: df> I’ve been thinking that either a PIO or a RIO from within fc00::/7 df> should trigger an entry in the table. If the prefix in the PIO or RIO df> is longer than /48, the covering /48 should be added to the df> table. Otherwise, if the prefix is /48 or shorter the prefix should df> be added to the table as-is. In most case unless a PIO is a /64 it df> will likely have L=0 and A=0. It seems that we are all agrement on this part. df> While probably not recommended, it would be possible for a network df> operator to signal the entire ULA range as being local, using a PIO df> for fc00::/7 with L=0 and A=0, for example. That's an interesting possibility. df> Finally, there should probably be a short discussion of managing the df> table, such as removing an entry when the PIO is no longer valid and df> similarly for a RIO. Would you want to wait at all after the lifetime of the PIO/RIO expired? As long as active sockets are not killed, then if it comes back soon, it's not a problem. (Android has kernel patches to be able to kill things like that quickly) -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
- RFC6724-bis? Tim Chown
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Nick Buraglio
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Nick Buraglio
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Nick Buraglio
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Nick Buraglio
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Tim Chown
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Nick Buraglio
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Nick Buraglio
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Bob Hinden
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Brian E Carpenter
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Ted Lemon
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Mark Smith
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Ted Lemon
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Ted Lemon
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Michael Richardson
- Re: RFC6724-bis? David Farmer
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Michael Richardson
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Ted Lemon
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Ted Lemon
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Mark Smith
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Ted Lemon
- Re: RFC6724-bis? David Farmer
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Ted Lemon
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Brian E Carpenter
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: RFC6724-bis? David Farmer
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Ted Lemon
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Nick Buraglio
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Ted Lemon
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Ted Lemon
- Re: RFC6724-bis? David Farmer
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Ted Lemon
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Nick Buraglio
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Nick Buraglio
- Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] David Farmer
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Michael Richardson
- RE: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Brian Carpenter
- RE: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Michael Richardson
- RE: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Nick Buraglio
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Mark Smith
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Ted Lemon
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] David Farmer
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Mark Smith
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Michael Richardson
- RE: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] David Farmer
- RE: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] David Farmer
- RE: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Ole Troan
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Ole Troan
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Timothy Winters
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Nick Buraglio
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Brian Carpenter
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Ole Troan
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Brian Carpenter
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Ole Troan
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] David Farmer
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Michael Richardson
- Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?] Ted Lemon
- RE: RFC6724-bis? Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Ted Lemon
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Ted Lemon
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Nick Buraglio
- Re: RFC6724-bis? Michael Richardson