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Re: [IPv6] Adoption call for draft-bctb-6man-rfc6296-bis

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sat, 23 March 2024 22:17 UTC

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Comments: In-reply-to Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> message dated "Sat, 23 Mar 2024 14:26:39 +1300."
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Subject: Re: [IPv6] Adoption call for draft-bctb-6man-rfc6296-bis
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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
    > *Obviously* today's apps work around the problem of broken references
    > caused by NAT, because they have to.

p2p applications do much better if they can advertise a reachable address.
Sometimes PCP can be used, but other times not. Having to PCP is a burden,
and it certain affects the ability to use temporary privacy addresses.
(I regularly use Torrent for Debian/Ubuntu iso.  I run it on a machine with
public IPv4 and IPv6 addresses)

    > Why should we encumber future apps with this problem when we don't have to?

+1


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