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Re: [IPv6] Adoption call for draft-bctb-6man-rfc6296-bis

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Wed, 27 March 2024 05:19 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2024 01:19:10 -0400
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Subject: Re: [IPv6] Adoption call for draft-bctb-6man-rfc6296-bis
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Are you aware of ISPs that are contemplating single-address-to-the-home or
charge-per-device? Or is this just speculation based on remembered trauma?

Op wo 27 mrt 2024 om 01:13 schreef Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca
>

>
> Naoki Matsuhira <matsuhira.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>     > I am not a native English speaker and this is the first time I have
> see the
>     > word "unilaterally". If the meaning according to the English-Japanese
>     > dictionary is correct, I feel that this is the reason why there are
>     > opinions against adoption. How about that.
>
> unilaterally in this context means that I can do something without someone
> else's permission.
>
> In particular, end-users have been able to "deploy" NAT44 on their
> desktops/laptops in order to get their VMs or containers "online" without
> permission from the (network) administrators.
>
> At one point (1997), incumbent telco ISP thought that they would deploy
> PPPoE
> to every single desktop in the home, charging more for each connection.
> People said, "screw you" and put up a NAT44 on their own.  This became the
> norm as home routers came out and people installed them ad-hoc, and then
> ISPs
> deployed them as a matter of course.
>
> We are risk the same price gouging behaviour in IPv6.
> Yet, I support adoption of the document, although I would prefer to create
> a
> new WG for it.
>
>
> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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