Re: [IPv6] Adoption call for draft-bctb-6man-rfc6296-bis

Ole Trøan <otroan@employees.org> Wed, 27 March 2024 07:56 UTC

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Subject: Re: [IPv6] Adoption call for draft-bctb-6man-rfc6296-bis
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> On 27 Mar 2024, at 02:35, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> wrote:
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> I know that sounds like ignoring the problem, and ignoring the problem was what got us into trouble with NAT44. But I think that's fundamentally different. NAT44 had irresistible pressures behind it in the form of IPv4 address exhaustion. IPv6 is in a completely different situation: there is plenty of space and almost half the Internet has deployed end-to-end IPv6 already.

Half the Internet is capable of using IPv6 in exactly the same way as with shared IPv4 addressing. 

Client to cloud. 
The proportion of users using IPv6 end-to-end would be more representative. 

Unfortunately it’s not just the address space. Read the document. 

O.