Re: Generic anycast addresses...
Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> Thu, 30 May 2019 12:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: Generic anycast addresses...
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 14:49:20 +0200
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Hi Mark, > "IPv6 Formal Anycast Addresses and Functional Anycast Addresses" > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-smith-6man-form-func-anycast-addresses-00 > > - well known anycast address prefix - "aa00::" suggested > - scopes that match those of multicast (note there is a scope position > error throughout the above draft, the scope nibble is the 3rd rather > than the 4th i.e. the upper 16 bits are "aa<scope><subformat>::/16" I think I'd prefer "aa<subformat><scope>::/16" for consistency with multicast addresses. OTOH your format is much easier to filter at scope boundaries, but I guess it's too late to change the multicast specs ;) > - supports subformats for the lower 112 bits > - first subformat is a functional address space which supports 24 bit > function identifiers, possibly 32 bit function identifiers, and embeds > up to a /64 prefix to identify an "anycast domain", and flags e.g. > transient or permanent function identifiers. > > All very much inspired by many of the IPv6 multicast capabilities and > features - it seems to me that anycast has properties common with both > unicast and multicast, so its actually a distinct class of addresses, > rather than being an informal type of unicast address. I agree. > I've been working on another update which I can probably push out in > the next day or so: > > - introduces an "Network Service Provider" scope, which is greater > than organisation scope and global scope, to suit an ISP DNS resolver > use case, protecting the DNS resolver from a DDoS from the Internet. Very good idea. The same scope can be used for multicast as well. It would fit things like live TV streams in a service provider network to provide them to their customers rather well. > - suggests the use of anycast addresses for hop by hop processing of > packets as an alternative to the HbH EH - when a intermediate packet > processing node (i.e. doing more than pure IPv6 forwarding) submits > the packet for further forwarding post processing, the local instance > of the anycast address is ignored (the "is it my DA" check is > skipped), and RPF is applied on the source address so the packet keeps > moving away from the packet's origin (i.e. the multicast RPF check). > This type of forwarding probably could be applied to "informal > anycast" as well as the "formal anycast" I've suggested above, so > maybe it should be a separate ID. I don't understand the use case for this one yet. Anyway: I think this can be very useful! Easily recognisable addresses, explicit scope. I like it :) Cheers, Sander
- Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- RE: Generic anycast addresses... Dave Thaler
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Bob Hinden
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Fred Baker
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Fred Baker
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... joel jaeggli
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Fred Baker
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Nick Hilliard
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Joel Jaeggli
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ole Troan
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Nick Hilliard
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... joel jaeggli
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Christian Huitema
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Christian Huitema
- Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Generic a… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Gener… Christian Huitema
- Re: Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Gener… Brian Haberman
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Bob Hinden
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Bob Hinden
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Erik Kline
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith