Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Generic anycast addresses...)
Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Tue, 04 June 2019 18:31 UTC
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Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2019 20:31:04 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
Cc: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, 6MAN <6man@ietf.org>
Subject: Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Generic anycast addresses...)
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Christian: I would certainly like a mechanism to resolve from anycast to unicast that is independent of a specific transport protocol like QUIC. I guess the interesting new requirement that QUIC introduced into that equation is that such resolution should avoid any additional round-trip. One way to do this would be to have a generic simple anycast resolution mechanism with one request and one reply and both can carry a transport protocol specific payload. Only thing it costs is that those two packets reduce the transport size available to the first request/reply, not sure how problematic this would be. But at least it would be lovely not having to reinvent that wheel for QUIC, TCP, STCP and the vairiety of UDP transports we have. On Tue, Jun 04, 2019 at 05:54:25AM -0700, Christian Huitema wrote: > I am not sure that we could safely engineer these functions in a shim > layer like Shim6. QUIC can do it because it is an encrypted transport. > Path continuity can be verified and proven by demonstrating knowledge of > the encryption keys, which are negotiated end to end as part of the > transport setup. I guess for the anycast resolution request/reply, a none should be sufficient. Whether the transport uses encryption or not is unaffected by this. What the transport is affected by is the notion that the transport connection ID does not use the anycast address but the resulting unicast address. > That said, we are a bit far from the original discussion of generic > anycast addresses. Easily resolved by chnge of subject ;-) Cheer Toerless > > -- Christian Huitema > >
- Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- RE: Generic anycast addresses... Dave Thaler
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Bob Hinden
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Fred Baker
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Fred Baker
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... joel jaeggli
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Fred Baker
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Nick Hilliard
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Joel Jaeggli
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ole Troan
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Nick Hilliard
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... joel jaeggli
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Christian Huitema
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Christian Huitema
- Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Generic a… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Gener… Christian Huitema
- Re: Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Gener… Brian Haberman
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Bob Hinden
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Bob Hinden
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Erik Kline
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith