Re: Generic anycast addresses...
Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> Mon, 03 June 2019 00:07 UTC
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From: Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 10:07:12 +1000
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Subject: Re: Generic anycast addresses...
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
Cc: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, 6MAN <6man@ietf.org>
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On Sun., 2 Jun. 2019, 23:31 Nick Hilliard, <nick@foobar.org> wrote: > Toerless Eckert wrote on 02/06/2019 14:03: > > IMHO, it would be lovely to primarily think of standardizing whats > > IMHO been most missing piece for more proliferation of anycast, and > > thats an appropriate prototol for anycast members to signal their > membership. > > as an observation, this would introduce host-level state into the > network, which has scalability consequences. > This is a well understood problem, and is called out in RFC 1546. This issue would be the same one created by ES-IS, except that ES-IS has all hosts inject their addresses into the routing domain (see RFC 995). That was designed in the mid-1980s. So if it was a solvable problem then, it is a much more easily solved problem now given processing and memory advances since. Of course, the solution is well known, being route summarisation or aggregation (and solved for IS-IS with Level-1 levels). >From my draft, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-smith-6man-form-func-anycast-addresses-00 "Forwarding towards anycast addresses is the same as forwarding towards unicast addresses, which uses the longest match rule BCP 198 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp198> [RFC7608 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7608>]. Longest match forwarding facilitates summarisation of forwarding information, where a single more general forwarding route Smith Expires April 25, 2019 [Page 8] ------------------------------ <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-smith-6man-form-func-anycast-addresses-00#page-9>Internet-DraftIPv6 Formal And Functional Anycast Addresses October 2018 can summarise a number of more specific forwarding routes. Summarisation saves entries in forwarding tables outside of the summarised forwarding domain, provides simpler destination based filtering for security purposes, and facilitates easier destination address based traffic analysis. The use of route summarisation with anycast addresses effectively creates an anycast domain that is being identified and summarised by the anycast summary route. Outside of the anycast domain, a single summary route exists, covering all anycast addresses within the domain. Within the anycast domain, individual routes for individual anycast addresses exist. When designing a new Anycast Identifier field format and structure, the following guidelines should be followed. These guidelines should allow a set of more specific anycast "routes to be summarised as well as improving operator usability. "Note that this guildline should not take Smith Expires April 25, 2019 [Page 9] ------------------------------ <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-smith-6man-form-func-anycast-addresses-00#page-10>Internet-DraftIPv6 Formal And Functional Anycast Addresses October 2018 precedence over any previous measures to faciliate more specific anycast route summarisation." "External to the anycast domain, the identifying 64 bit prefix can be used to create a single summary route for the anycast function or service identifier space, which will help routing scaling for anycast functions or services." Regards, Mark. > Nick > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >
- Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- RE: Generic anycast addresses... Dave Thaler
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Bob Hinden
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Fred Baker
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Fred Baker
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... joel jaeggli
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Fred Baker
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Nick Hilliard
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Joel Jaeggli
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ole Troan
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Nick Hilliard
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... joel jaeggli
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Christian Huitema
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Christian Huitema
- Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Generic a… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Gener… Christian Huitema
- Re: Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Gener… Brian Haberman
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Bob Hinden
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Bob Hinden
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Erik Kline
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith