Re: Generic anycast addresses...
Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> Fri, 12 July 2019 23:33 UTC
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From: Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 09:32:59 +1000
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Subject: Re: Generic anycast addresses...
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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When there are multiple use cases, global anycast (PCP, TURN), and now site scope, then a more general solution should be developed that accommodates other future forseeable use cases (admin scope, enterprise scope, ISP scope etc.) You're already discovering the problems with ad hoc allocation and no formal scheme. A formal address space was identified in RFC 1546 as one of the ways to support anycast. A reminder that the U in ULA stands for Unique. If the ULA-C address space is used to define globally well known anycast addresses, that are to be duplicated across different networks, then the you would now have Non-Unique Unique Local Addresses. I've spent more than 2 years thinking about this topic and 10s of hours writing a 25 page draft about this topic. People can save time by reading it. Even if people don't agree with the proposal, the considerations and similar topics should still be useful. IPv6 Formal Anycast Addresses and Functional Anycast Addresses https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-smith-6man-form-func-anycast-addresses-00.txt (Given recent experiences here with IDs, where people have kept asking about things already covered in the draft under discussion (the IPv6 only flag ID), and during IETF last call for rfc4291bis, I'm starting to think writing drafts is a waste of time, because people would much rather send an email than spend the time reading the draft.) On Sat., 13 Jul. 2019, 01:20 Ted Lemon, <mellon@fugue.com> wrote: > On Jul 12, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote: > > Anycast addresses are allocated from the unicast address space, using > any of the defined unicast address formats. Thus, anycast addresses > are syntactically indistinguishable from unicast addresses. When a > unicast address is assigned to more than one interface, thus turning > it into an anycast address, the nodes to which the address is > assigned must be explicitly configured to know that it is an anycast > address. > > > Sorry, the distinction here is that we’re talking about well-known anycast > addresses being used for resource discovery or edge probing, not anycast > addresses generally. > > So yes, of course anycast addresses can just be unicast addresses, and can > come either from an org’s delegated prefix or from a global IANA prefix. > However, this isn’t always what we want; in the case of SRP, it’s better if > it doesn’t leave the site, for example, so a unique local address would be > a better choice than something in 2001::/16. But we don’t have a > mechanism for allocating well-known anycast addresses out of the unique > local address space. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >
- Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- RE: Generic anycast addresses... Dave Thaler
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Bob Hinden
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Fred Baker
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... George Michaelson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Fred Baker
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... joel jaeggli
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Fred Baker
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Nick Hilliard
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Joel Jaeggli
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ole Troan
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Nick Hilliard
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... joel jaeggli
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Christian Huitema
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Toerless Eckert
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Michael Richardson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Sander Steffann
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Christian Huitema
- Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Generic a… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Gener… Christian Huitema
- Re: Anycast to unicast resolution (was: Re: Gener… Brian Haberman
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Bob Hinden
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Bob Hinden
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Ted Lemon
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Erik Kline
- Re: Generic anycast addresses... Mark Smith