Re: IPv6 only host NAT64 requirements?

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 20 November 2017 23:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: IPv6 only host NAT64 requirements?
To: Jen Linkova <furry13@gmail.com>, "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com>
Cc: 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Jen,
On 21/11/2017 09:33, Jen Linkova wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:12 AM, Manfredi, Albert E
> <albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com>; wrote:
>> Very instructive thread for me, I must say. I'm getting this sense of urgency, to be rid of IPv4, but it comes from the IETF 6man wg and some ISPs.
>> Ultimately, it's not up to 6man to decide.
> 
> I do not see this thread as 6man deciding that everyone is to get rid
> of Ipv4 right now. I see it as 'there are networks deploying IPv6-only
> hosts and 6man is discussing how to help hosts to operate in such
> environment'.

Fair enough. But now, and for many years, IPv6-only hosts** will
be unusual (except on some cellular networks); IPv4-only hosts are 
common, and dual stack hosts are common.

** In my book, a host that contains even one IPv4-only application
cannot be considered as an "IPv6-only" host.
 
>> It's up to device vendors,  and up to the deployed base of devices.
>> The IETF can only suggest, and ISP networks have to meet the real world needs.
> 
> People from the real world is coming to IETF saying 'we are deploying
> Ipv6-only hosts' [1] [2]

Sure. And I think the tests last week showed two things:
1. NAT64/DNS64 is viable for IPv6-only hosts (setting aside DNSSEC).
2. IPv6-only hosts are far from universal, even among IETF
participants.

And BTW thanks for the effort behind ietf-nat64. I think it
was a very valuable effort.

Regards,
    Brian