Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups

"Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com> Mon, 10 August 2020 10:12 UTC

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From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
CC: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, "v6ops@ietf.org" <v6ops@ietf.org>, Philip Homburg <pch-v6ops-9@u-1.phicoh.com>, IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups
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Hello Jen

If you tell the router then in most cases it will adapt without a problem. In practice we (routers) end up with too many addresses when we store a great many temporary ones that the hosts do not use anymore. You need to realize that those addresses and their bindings are published, e.g., via BGP route type 2. 

Regards,

Pascal

> Le 10 août 2020 à 11:37, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> a écrit :
> 
> Bob Hinden wrote on 10/08/2020 00:42:
>> I thought we learned long ago to not create large distributed broadcast/multicast domains.
> 
> We did, but what's disheartening is that people persistently use this model as rationale to justify a protocol change of one form or another.
> 
> Maybe we need an ID which states this explicitly: "Large broadcast domains considered harmful"?  As long as we have broadcast domains, people will be tempted to make them too large and will express surprise that they don't scale well.
> 
> Nick