Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments
Thomas Nadeau <tnadeau@juniper.net> Wed, 08 August 2012 23:26 UTC
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From: Thomas Nadeau <tnadeau@juniper.net>
To: Lin Han <Lin.Han@huawei.com>, Gert Grammel <ggrammel@juniper.net>, Lenny Giuliano <lenny@juniper.net>, Alia Atlas <akatlas@juniper.net>
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:21:58 -0400
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On 8/8/12 7:14 PM, "Lin Han" <Lin.Han@huawei.com> wrote: >Similar confusion by wisely avoidance -:) > >If possible, Someone can draw a simple picture of IRS location in a >router with existence of other components. Did you see the slides that Alia sent out from the IETF Presentation? Unicast me if not and I will get them to you. >Also, I think people are confused by the comparison with SDN and OF. More >clarification will be helpful. For that, we really should set up some internal tech talk thing. Slides can help, but having a decent presentation on this would go a long way. Let me see what we can do in this regard. --Tom > >Lin > >-----Original Message----- >From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] >On Behalf Of Gert Grammel >Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 6:41 PM >To: Thomas Nadeau; Lenny Giuliano; Alia Atlas >Cc: irs-discuss@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments > >Tom, > >It is confusing to understand whether IRS belongs to a new network >management plane or if it's more of a control plane extension. The draft >wisely avoids this classification. >To me IRS appears to be a completely different beast which should best be > characterized as 'Network Programming Plane' NPP. >It neither aims to do full provisioning (as a management plane would do) >nor aims to replace routing (as a control plane would do). >Hence we better name the baby NPP -- thereby avoiding any linkage to >taxation. > > >Gert > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org <irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org> >To: Lenny Giuliano; Alia Atlas >Cc: irs-discuss@ietf.org <irs-discuss@ietf.org> >Sent: Tue Jul 31 01:50:40 2012 >Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments > > >[Re-adding IRS] > > Thank you for reviewing and the comments. We will incorporate the edits >in the next rev. > > --Tom > > >On 7/30/12 5:04 PM, "Lenny Giuliano" <lenny@juniper.net> wrote: > >> >>Minor points: >> >>-section 4, para 2, 3rd sentence, "Howeve,r" >> >>-4.1.3 "There is no bidirectional programmatic interface to add, modify, >> remove or read state from the multicast RIB." >> -How is this unique to mcast? Couldn't you say the same thing >> about unicast? >> >>-4.1.3 "The multicast state added need not match to well-known protocol >> installed state. For instance, traffic received on an specified set, >> or all, interfaces that is destined to a particular prefix from all >> sources or a particular prefix could be subject to the specified >> replication." >> -Not clear to me at all what this para is saying. >> >>-"IRS"- you may want to select a different acronym that isn't related to >>something as unpopular as taxation (something we learned with AMT). >>Maybe >>RSI instead... >> >>Overall, I found the doc to be clearly written and straightforward. >>Sounds like Openflow for routers. Not sure if it's intentional that you >>didn't mention Openflow, but it did seem like an elephant in the room as >>I >>was reading thru. Also, I did wonder what was new and novel here, as >>this >>sounded like our SDK which has been around for years. >> >> >>-Lenny > >_______________________________________________ >irs-discuss mailing list >irs-discuss@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss >_______________________________________________ >irs-discuss mailing list >irs-discuss@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Gert Grammel
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Gert Grammel
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Lin Han
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Lin Han
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Lin Han
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Gert Grammel
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Scott Whyte
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Gert Grammel
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Scott Whyte
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Shah, Himanshu
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Olen Stokes
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments David Lake (dlake)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments David Lake (dlake)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Olen Stokes
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments David Lake (dlake)
- Re: [irs-discuss] 答复: 答复: IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Olen Stokes
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Shah, Himanshu
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments UTTARO, JAMES
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Lin Han
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Shah, Himanshu
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- [irs-discuss] 答复: IRS comments Mach Chen
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- Re: [irs-discuss] 答复: IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- [irs-discuss] 答复: 答复: IRS comments Mach Chen
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] 答复: 答复: IRS comments Alia Atlas
- [irs-discuss] 答复: 答复: 答复: IRS comments Mach Chen
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] 答复: 答复: IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Acee Lindem
- Re: [irs-discuss] 答复: 答复: IRS comments Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau