Re: [Ltru] Extlang stability (was: extlang)
"Mark Davis" <mark.davis@icu-project.org> Wed, 12 September 2007 20:00 UTC
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From: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
To: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
Subject: Re: [Ltru] Extlang stability (was: extlang)
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I disagree. The base information of whether an instance of written language is in a given script is pretty clear, and the number of scripts are quite bounded. While it may take some effort to determine whether a script is in overwhelming usage for a language, it is a relatively straightforward task. On the other hand, the boundaries between languages (languages vs dialects and so on) are always the subject of dispute. According to a conversation with Ken Whistler, there is a considerable controversy among the linguistics community over the language model used in SIL which then went into 639-3. Now, this is not at all to say that they did a bad job -- they did a great job, especially with the huge number of languages that they had to deal with -- however, it is inherently a much more difficult task. And the whole notion of macrolanguage is not something that exists "in the wild"; it is a construct designed to enable certain usage patterns -- and it is up to us to determine whether it fits best in 4646bis as the Macrolanguage: field or hard-wired into extlang. Mark On 9/12/07, John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote: > > Frank Ellermann scripsit: > > > The "extlang" concept is messier than "Suppress-Script", isn't it ? > > It is not, particularly because the work has been done for us by > an ISO RA. The trouble with Suppress-Script: is that we, the IETF, > invented it ourselves, but don't have the resources to follow through. > > -- > John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> http://www.ccil.org/~cowan > Raffiniert ist der Herrgott, aber boshaft ist er nicht. > --Albert Einstein > > > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > -- Mark
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- extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis" (Re… Mark Davis
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… Doug Ewell
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… Mark Davis
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… John Cowan
- RE: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… Peter Constable
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… Doug Ewell
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… John Cowan
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… Addison Phillips
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [Ltru] * in extended filtering Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] * in extended filtering Addison Phillips
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… Mark Davis
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… John Cowan
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… Addison Phillips
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… John Cowan
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Randy Presuhn
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Randy Presuhn
- RE: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… Martin Duerst
- Re: extlang (was Re: Suggested language for "mis"… John Cowan
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Mark Davis
- Flagging macrolanguages in the LSR (Was: extlang … Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: Flagging macrolanguages in the LSR (Was: extl… Addison Phillips
- Re: Flagging macrolanguages in the LSR (Was: extl… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [Ltru] Langtag.net Karen_Broome
- Re: Flagging macrolanguages in the LSR (Was: extl… Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Langtag.net Addison Phillips
- [Ltru] Re: Langtag.net Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [Ltru] Extlang stability (was: extlang) Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Extlang stability (was: extlang) John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extlang stability (was: extlang) Mark Davis
- [Ltru] Re: Extlang stability Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Extlang stability (was: extlang) John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extlang stability John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extlang stability (was: extlang) Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Extlang stability (was: extlang) John Cowan