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Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag

"Broome, Karen" <Karen.Broome@am.sony.com> Sun, 24 July 2011 17:03 UTC

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From: "Broome, Karen" <Karen.Broome@am.sony.com>
To: Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org>, "ltru@ietf.org" <ltru@ietf.org>
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:01:56 -0700
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Hmm. Need to give this some thought and read the draft a little more closely. 

Long ago, I thought it might be appropriate for SMPTE or a similar body to register a singleton and use it to indicate subtitled/written or dubbed/spoken language, but seeing this addition I'm thinking it through again. I think the usage is likely more general than just the motion picture industry. "Zxxx" (code for unwritten documents) is not something I'll likely recommend any time soon for the motion picture industry. I've always opposed that for use to describe spoken language "tracks" though I know my use cases awhile back may have supported the creation of this tag. In most cases, it is true that the language mode can be inferred, but this is not always the case.

Regards,

Karen Broome

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Subject: Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag

"Broome, Karen" <Karen dot Broome at am dot sony dot com> wrote:

> Forgive me if I'm only able to skim these e-mails, but I'm wondering 
> if there might be a parallel here with a use case like: English 
> language film gets translated into Spoken Japanese (dubbed) for one 
> market/format and Written Japanese (subtitles/captions/AD) for 
> another.

Testing my understanding of the proposed extension, I think both would 
be "ja-t-en".  The second could alternatively be "ja-Jpan-t-en", but 
since 'Jpan' is the Suppress-Script for 'ja', it could normally be 
omitted unless one felt it necessary to call attention to the writing 
system.

Folks who insist that spoken content needs to be tagged as such, not 
inferred from the context, would probably say the first tag should be 
"jp-Zxxx-t-en".

The point is that the same Japanese content is converted along two 
discrete paths; there is no indication that one is converted from the 
other.  The source in each case is English ("-t-en").

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