RE: [Mipshop] Re: Gauging interest in official WG adoption ofinternet drafts

[Lakshminath Dondeti <[e-mail]>]

At 10:44 AM 4/11/2006, [e-mail] wrote:
>Yes, there was approval on the idea of proceeding with consensus on WG
>approval first, then mobdir review.

Right, this was my understanding too.

>Now, since there does not seem to be
>WG consensus, are you suggest we do not do the mobdir at all?

I don't understand the first part.  Why do you say that there does 
not seem to be WG consensus?  The latest I recall from this 
discussion was that there was approval and consensus to make this a 
WG draft first.

I am not saying no Mobdir review.  Let's make it a WG draft and then 
have the Mobdir review the draft.

>I see
>going to mobdir review as a way to improve the draft to increase the
>chances to reach a consensus as soon as possible.

No disagreement here, but you seem to have a different order of steps 
in mind than I do.  I am wondering how you reached your conclusion.

thanks and regards,
Lakshminath

>Stefano
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ext Lakshminath Dondeti [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:35 PM
> >To: Faccin Stefano (Nokia-SIR/Dallas);
> >[e-mail]; [e-mail]
> >Subject: RE: [Mipshop] Re: Gauging interest in official WG
> >adoption ofinternet drafts
> >
> >Hi Stefano,
> >
> >Thanks for your message.  Once the proposal to "make the draft
> >a WG item and then ask for Mobdir review" was made, I recall
> >seeing approvals and no disagreements.  So, I am still puzzled!
> >
> >thanks and regards,
> >Lakshminath
> >
> >At 09:54 AM 4/11/2006, [e-mail] wrote:
> >>Lakshminath,
> >>your recollection of the original discussion about the call for
> >>consensus is correct. However, since there have been several comments
> >>or questions on the draft, we do not feel there is consensus on
> >>approving the draft as WG draft. We believe that a reasonable way to
> >>ensure those questions are clarified and that we get good
> >input on the
> >>draft is to have the mobdir review the draft first.
> >>
> >>Stefano
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: ext Lakshminath Dondeti [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >> >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:50 AM
> >> >To: gabriel montenegro; [e-mail]
> >> >Subject: Re: [Mipshop] Re: Gauging interest in official WG adoption
> >> >ofinternet drafts
> >> >
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
> >> >I have a different recollection of the "consensus" on
> >> >draft-vidya-mipshop-handover-keys-aaa-01.  The order was,
> >approve the
> >> >draft as a WG item and then ask for a mobdir review.  Did I miss
> >> >further discussions (offline ones perhaps) on this topic?
> >> >
> >> >regards,
> >> >Lakshminath
> >> >
> >> >At 07:48 AM 4/11/2006, gabriel montenegro wrote:
> >> >>Folks,
> >> >>
> >> >>Thanks for the comments and participation in this discussion. In
> >> >>general, there was good support for adoption of the proposed
> >> >documents,
> >> >>but it seems that for the security-related drafts, there were
> >> >negative
> >> >>comments and discussion than for the others.
> >> >>
> >> >>It was also suggested that a mobility directorate review
> >would be a
> >> >>good thing. This is actually a common practice predating this
> >> >>discussion: new drafts being adopted by "mobility" working groups
> >> >>are requested for review by mobdir. So we will request that
> >> >review for all our adopted drafts.
> >> >>However, we feel that given the comments on the security
> >drafts, we
> >> >>would like to have reviews for those drafts before actual adoption.
> >> >>
> >> >>In short, the drafts we're adopting right now are:
> >> >>
> >> >>    draft-ietf-mipshop-fmipv6-rev-XX.txt
> >> >>    based on draft-koodli-mipshop-rfc4068bis-00.txt
> >> >>
> >> >>    draft-ietf-mipshop-fh80216e-XX.txt
> >> >>    based on draft-jang-mipshop-fh80216e-02.txt
> >> >>
> >> >>    draft-ietf-mipshop-3gfh-XX.txt
> >> >>    based on draft-yokota-mipshop-3gfh-02.txt
> >> >>
> >> >>Next versions of the above drafts should adopt the official
> >> >name shown above.
> >> >>
> >> >>The drafts whose adoption is pending a mobility directorate
> >> >review are:
> >> >>
> >> >>    draft-ietf-mipshop-handover-keys-aaa-XX.txt
> >> >>    based on  draft-vidya-mipshop-handover-keys-aaa-01.txt
> >> >>
> >> >>    draft-ietf-mipshop-handover-key-send-XX.txt
> >> >>    based on draft-kempf-mobopts-handover-key-01.txt (currently
> >> >> expired)
> >> >>
> >> >>    draft-ietf-mipshop-cga-cba-XX.txt
> >> >>    based on draft-arkko-mipshop-cga-cba-03.txt
> >> >>
> >> >>Again, we will request review of all the above by mobdir.
> >> >>
> >> >>-chairs
> >> >>
> >> >>--- gabriel montenegro <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Folks,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In today's meeting we talked about 4 potential items up for
> >> >> adoption as official
> >> >> > working
> >> >> > groups. Talking with folks after the meeting, we've decided to
> >> >> add two more to the list
> >> >> > of items we'll ask the WG whether we should adopt. This is the
> >> >> follow-up email to
> >> >> > today's
> >> >> > discussion, to make sure we ask this on the mailing list.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So the question to the WG is: Should we adopt the following
> >> >> documents as official WG
> >> >> > items (based on the individual drafts as noted below)?:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 1. draft-ietf-mipshop-fmipv6-rev-XX.txt
> >> >> > based on draft-koodli-mipshop-rfc4068bis-00.txt
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2. draft-ietf-mipshop-handover-keys-aaa-XX.txt
> >> >> > based on  draft-vidya-mipshop-handover-keys-aaa-01.txt
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 3. draft-ietf-mipshop-handover-key-send-XX.txt
> >> >> > based on draft-kempf-mobopts-handover-key-01.txt
> >> >(currently expired)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 4. draft-ietf-mipshop-fh80216e-XX.txt
> >> >> > based on draft-jang-mipshop-fh80216e-02.txt
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 5. draft-ietf-mipshop-3gfh-XX.txt based on
> >> >> > draft-yokota-mipshop-3gfh-02.txt
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 6. draft-ietf-mipshop-cga-cba-XX.txt based on
> >> >> > draft-arkko-mipshop-cga-cba-03.txt
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Please send comments one way or another through April 4, 2006.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > chairs
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
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