Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113
Dan Olivares <dcolivares@gmail.com> Mon, 23 February 2009 20:25 UTC
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"Debating various economic systems and business models wouldn't fall into the purview of this list if it weren't for the very pertinent fact that interoperability precludes or allows forms of economic systems by affirming or denying intellectual property rights in the code." Really? Isn't it good enough to say that some business models will require user created content IP protection and some will not and move on? "Then the unspoken or espoused economic views of the coders matters a great deal. If they all adhere to the copyleftist mode and claim that inserting c/m/t "breaks their business model" (although I don't see that it does, as they can check off "yes" to c/m/t), and they impose that as they only choice articulated in the tools that emerge from the code, then they've foreclosed a Metaverse economy based on IP and micropayments. " Business models that require user content IP protection can limit interoperability based on acceptance of a contract to respect intellectual property rights with punishments for non-compliance. Also, while I agree with you on the I-Phone analogy does demonstrate one business model, I wanted to make a point that the i-phone uses the centralized clearing house you argued against with jw (Jon Watte) regarding There.com. Sincerely Dan On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:40 PM, dyerbrookme@juno.com <dyerbrookme@juno.com> wrote: > Debating various economic systems and business models wouldn't fall into the purview of this list if it weren't for the very pertinent fact that interoperability precludes or allows forms of economic systems by affirming or denying intellectual property rights in the code. > > Then the unspoken or espoused economic views of the coders matters a great deal. If they all adhere to the copyleftist mode and claim that inserting c/m/t "breaks their business model" (although I don't see that it does, as they can check off "yes" to c/m/t), and they impose that as they only choice articulated in the tools that emerge from the code, then they've foreclosed a Metaverse economy based on IP and micropayments. > > Or, not to limit ourselves to virtual worlds because interoperability connects not only to VW platforms, let's take a story of how someone really makes a living in the real world of real proprietary code who is not an anecdote, but typical of a software business: > http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/124073 > > Whatever the jailbreaks and rips, the i-phone is based on proprietary code. It admit various apps and those apps, too, are proprietary in many cases. This fellow gives away free games, but they are merely loss-leaders to get customers to buy the closed-code game which is sold by the i-phone as closed close. So the interoperability that enabled all the widgets or apps or whatever is still based on a proprietary code concept for both the technology vendor and the user. If those who believed there should be no proprietary closed code prevailed on the production of the i-phone and its app economy for thousands of developers, there'd be no mobile app economy, now would there. That's because the option did not get foreclosed in development. > > If there's something I haven't understood about how i-phone and apps work, enlighten me, but I think the analogy is sound. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to get free auto insurance quotes from top companies. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTImHYq28cgTcs4n52SAdDcg0gdAIaDeGlFIVNVzoPvqnTSmJj3l8M/ >
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 dyerbrookme@juno.com
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Gareth Nelson
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 dyerbrookme@juno.com
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Dan Olivares
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Gareth Nelson
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 dyerbrookme@juno.com
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 dyerbrookme@juno.com
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Gareth Nelson
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 dyerbrookme@juno.com
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Dan Olivares
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 dyerbrookme@juno.com
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Dan Olivares
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Robert Gehorsam
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 dyerbrookme@juno.com
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 dyerbrookme@juno.com
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 dyerbrookme@juno.com
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Jon Watte
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- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Ann Otoole
- Re: [mmox] mmox Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113 Marshall Eubanks
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