Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-on-demand-cv as a working group document
Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.com> Mon, 14 March 2011 14:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-on-demand-cv as a working group document
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Haiyan, This is largely a semantics issue. The extensions described in this draft are intended to - among other things - support the requirements of a transport profile of MPLS. Those requirements initially drove the creation of this draft. It is still the case that these extensions are intended to support a transport profile of MPLS. However, as you note, they also support usage in an environment that may not be strictly limited to "transport" in the sense that has been used in referring to a "transport profile." Specifically, in cases where (for example) IP addressing may be used generally in the services being provided by a service provider who also plane to use similar/identical technology to support "transport" requirements. It appears to be the (rough?) consensus of the MPLS working group that "LSP-Ping" is the tool of choice for on demand CV. Ping, in general, has filled a role as on-demand connectivity verification in IP-based networks for a very long time, and network operators who plan to use IP infrastructure to support their own "transport" needs are generally aware of this tool and the on-going need for it in the IP network infrastrcture. -- Eric -----Original Message----- From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhang Haiyan Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:54 PM To: Loa Andersson; mpls-tp@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; MPLS-TP ad hoc team Subject: Re: [mpls] [mpls-tp] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-on-demand-cv as a working group document No/ do not support. Several comments need clarification: 1) We do not see how the content of the draft satisfies "on-demand-cv" as claimed in the title. We only see "LSP-Ping" and "LSP Traceroute" in the main part of the draft. In the introduction part we also see the "on-demand Connectivity Verification, Route Tracing and Adjacency functions". Could the authors clarify the "on-demand CV"? 2) Could the authors clarify the purpose of describing "LSP-Ping with IP encapsulation" and "LSP Traceroute with IP encapsulation"? The draft seems to be just a regular extension of MPLS LSP ping, not particular for MPLS-TP. Shouldn't it be a draft with the name "mpls-lsp-ping-extensions"? B.R. Haiyan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loa Andersson" <loa@pi.nu> To: <mpls-tp@ietf.org>; <mpls@ietf.org>; "MPLS-TP ad hoc team" <ahmpls-tp@lists.itu.int> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:07 PM Subject: [mpls-tp] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-on-demand-cv as a working group document > > Working Group, > > this email is to start poll to adopt > draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-on-demand-cv-00.txt > as an MPLS working group draft. > > After recent experience, the chairs would like to remind you all > what it means to conduct a poll to adopt a draft as a working group > draft. > > - Please recall that the IETF does not "vote." Polls of a working > group are to gather information to help the chairs make their > decisions. Voting is not part of the normal working methods of > an IETF working group. > > - The "rough consensus" process used in the working group assumes > that people expressing opinions are also participating in the > development of standards documents. > > - Subscription to the list specifically to express an opinion is > noticed by the chairs who has access to information on the new list > members. Such behavior is not part of the normal working methods. > > - The purpose of a poll for adoption is to help the chairs understand > the level of support for a document (i.e. who has read it, who > believes it is a good starting point for working group work, who > will contribute to the work) and whether there are any significant > technical issues. Statements of objection must be backed up by > proper technical reasons. > > So please respond to this poll indicating whether you support the > adoption of this draft or stating your technical issues. > > Please also not that this draft has after a discussion with the > working group chairs been renamed, it was earlier know as > draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-lsp-ping-extensions-01. > > This poll ends eob July 5. > > > Loa and George > mpls wg co-chairs > > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com > Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu > Ericsson Inc phone: +46 10 717 52 13 > +46 767 72 92 13 > _______________________________________________ > mpls-tp mailing list > mpls-tp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-tp _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls
- [mpls-tp] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-on-d… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls-tp] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-… Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [mpls-tp] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-… Eric Gray
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Zafar Ali (zali)
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… John E Drake
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Kyung-Yeop Hong (hongk)
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Luyuan Fang (lufang)
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Nitin Bahadur
- Re: [mpls-tp] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-… Reshad Rahman (rrahman)
- Re: [mpls-tp] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-… David Sinicrope
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Autumn Liu
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Muralidhar Annabathula
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Nitin Bahadur
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Muralidhar Annabathula
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adoptdraft-nitinb-mp… Monique Morrow (mmorrow)
- [mpls-tp] R: poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-o… Di Giglio Andrea
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo
- Re: [mpls-tp] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-… Yuji Tochio
- Re: [mpls-tp] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-… Zhang Haiyan
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… BUSI, ITALO (ITALO)
- Re: [mpls-tp] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-… Huub van Helvoort
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Lavanya Srivatsa
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls-tp] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-… Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Nitin Bahadur
- Re: [mpls-tp] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-… Nitin Bahadur
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Nitin Bahadur
- Re: [mpls-tp] comment to draft-nitinb-mpls-tp-on-… Huub van Helvoort
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Eric Gray
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Eric Gray
- Re: [mpls-tp] [mpls] poll to adopt draft-nitinb-m… Eric Gray