[Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the iaoc, and enforceability
Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Fri, 06 January 2017 16:40 UTC
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Subject: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the iaoc, and enforceability
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Hi, IETF leadership tends to use BCPs as a means of enforcement. That can't be the case with this document. It simply is impracticable to rework contracts based on some sort of appeal, for instance. At best, therefore, this is the IETF community's advice to the IAOC about how it would like venues selected. At the end of the day, if members of the community are unhappy with the IAOC's venue selections, the appropriate recourse is the NOMCOM and not some sort of appeal. I would like this further clarified in the document. Eliot
- [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-v… internet-drafts
- Re: [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Eliot Lear
- [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the iaoc,… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Lou Berger
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Lou Berger
- Re: [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Laura Nugent
- Re: [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Lou Berger
- Re: [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the i… Andrew Sullivan