Re: [Mtgvenue] document status, the role of the iaoc, and enforceability

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

On 28/01/2017 04:23, Dave Crocker wrote:
> Thanks for pursuing this.
> 
> 
> On 1/27/2017 3:55 AM, Eliot Lear wrote:
>> At the end of 1.2, after the definition of terms:
>>
>> "While this document uses these terms and these meanings, it remains the
>> responsibility of the IAOC to apply their best judgment.  In particular,
>> this document is not to be used as a means to appeal the IAOC's
>> decisions.
> 
> Since this document is to be the normative basis for operation of the 
> selection process, how can it /not/ be relevant to an appeal process?
> 
> That said, if the intent is to say that there is no appeal process, we 
> probably should say that directly.

We can't. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4071#section-3.5 defines
the appeal process and we certainly should not override that here.
Wouldn't it be better to say

"While this document uses these terms and these meanings, it remains the
responsibility of the IAOC to apply their best judgment.  Any appeals
remain subject to the provisions of [RFC4071]."

   Brian


> 
> If the intent is to constrain what types of meetings-related decisions 
> can be appealed, we should probably say that.
> 
> For example, in terms of pragmatic, once a contract is signed, an 
> 'appeal' would probably be counter-productive.  By contrast, appealing 
> the assessment of a possible venue, after the early community query, 
> would at least be possible.  (I'm trying to cite possibilities here. I'm 
> not sure what specifics you have in mind.)
> 
> 
>  > Individuals who disagree with IAOC decisions are invited to
>> participate in the NOMCOM process and to raise concerns with both the
>> IAB and the IESG in order that the matter may be addressed during member
>> selection."
> 
> Small editorial tweak:
> 
>     Individuals who disagree with IAOC decisions are invited to raise 
> their concerns by providing input to the various IAOC member selection 
> processes by the NOMCOM, IAB and IESG, as appropriate.
> 
> 
> 
> d/
>