Re: [Netconf] ? Re:? WGLC? for? draft-ietf-netcon f-tls-04.txt

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Hi,

> To quote TLS,
> "The other party MUST respond with a close_notify
>   alert of its own and close down the connection immediately,
>   discarding any pending writes. "
> so this proposed text would appear to contradict a TLS MUST.  TLS 
> also takes
> great care not to bind itself to TCP and not to prescribe the 
> behaviour of the
> underlying transport protocol.
maybe what said in counterpart section in syslog-tls  contradict a TLS MUST, too.
> 
> And I imagine that this is what Juergen had in mind.  When we start 
> to reproduce
> TLS in our own words, we are likFrom netconf-bounces@ietf.org  Mon Sep 29 03:45:02 2008
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Hi,

> To quote TLS,
> "The other party MUST respond with a close_notify
>   alert of its own and close down the connection immediately,
>   discarding any pending writes. "
> so this proposed text would appear to contradict a TLS MUST.  TLS 
> also takes
> great care not to bind itself to TCP and not to prescribe the 
> behaviour of the
> underlying transport protocol.
maybe what said in counterpart section in syslog-tls  contradict a TLS MUST, too.
> 
> And I imagine that this is what Juergen had in mind.  When we start 
> to reproduce
> TLS in our own words, we aely to make things worse (perhaps 
> also known as
> the distributed database problem).  And for those with a sense of 
> history, be
> aware that the last call on syslog-tls completed precisely two 
> years ago - and
> the I-D is still  being revised:-(
washam

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re likely to make things worse (perhaps 
> also known as
> the distributed database problem).  And for those with a sense of 
> history, be
> aware that the last call on syslog-tls completed precisely two 
> years ago - and
> the I-D is still  being revised:-(
washam

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