Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal
"tom.petch" <cfinss@dial.pipex.com> Fri, 14 September 2007 09:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ladislav Lhotka" <lhotka@cesnet.cz> To: <ngo@ietf.org> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal tom.petch píše v Čt 13. 09. 2007 v 12:46 +0200: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com> > To: "Ladislav Lhotka" <lhotka@cesnet.cz>; "tom.petch" <cfinss@dial.pipex.com> > Cc: <ngo@ietf.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:18 PM > Subject: RE: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Characterizing RELAX NG versus XSD as "not powerful enough" > > intrigues me. Even the W3C now develops many new standards > > in RELAX NG and machine translates them to XSD *only* when > > their standards development work is complete (last draft). > > > > Which demonstrates that XSD is at least as powerful as RELAX NG. No, it just demonstrates that it is easier to communicate the data model (and develop the schemas) in RELAX NG than in XSD. Even Tim Bray now recommends to convert to RELAX NG: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/11/27/Choose-Relax > > Now if all valid XSD could be machine translated into RELAX NG, > I would have to reconsider:-) You can make up XSD schemas that cannot be translated to RELAX NG and vice versa. However, for most real-life situations, and especially with the restrictions placed on NETCONF data (no mixed content, wrapper elements enclosing repeated children), it is IMO fair to say that both languages have comparable expressive power and the schemas can be generally translated in both directions. <tp> OK, I will go and do my homework on RELAX NG and maybe then admit defeat. But I do think that Andy's points in favour of XSD are valid, namely that we need the skills to produce an interoperable standard, and that we have in XSD. (It would have been interesting at the previous WG meeting to have asked those understood RELAX NG to identify themselves and see if it were more than seven). And to change horses at this point would, for me, imply an RFC4741bis in RELAX NG. Tom Petch </tp> Lada Ladislav Lhotka, CESNET PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C _______________________________________________ NGO mailing list NGO@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ngo
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- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal tom.petch
- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal tom.petch
- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal Andy Bierman
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- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal Balazs Lengyel
- Re: [NGO] NETCONF Data Modeling BoF (NDM) proposal Ladislav Lhotka