Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Survey of Worldwide Censorship Techniques"
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From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <hall@isoc.org>
To: "S. Moonesamy" <sm+sdo@afrinic.net>, "pearg@irtf.org" <pearg@irtf.org>
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Hi, sorry for not following up sooner (going through things making slides for next Monday!). I'm unclear as to what you'd like the draft to say differently here. Happy to work on making it more clear but I think what you've outlined is what I understand the ability for an RIR to be compelled to sign routes that misdirect traffic. best, Joe ________________________________ From: S. Moonesamy <sm+sdo@afrinic.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 18:14 To: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <hall@isoc.org>; pearg@irtf.org <pearg@irtf.org> Subject: Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Survey of Worldwide Censorship Techniques" Dear Joseph, At 11:59 AM 01-07-2020, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: >I think what the wording of the draft is trying >to do there is to point out that if you can >compel a signed route, ASs will tend to start >sending traffic that direction, potentially >compromising the confidentiality and integrity >of the traffic, not the ROA. I'm happy to make >that clear. Also, feel free to push back and say >that it's out of place… this ppart is trying to >catalog entities in positions of power that >could affect the ability of two ends to communicate. I'll explain what I understood. Please do correct me if you or anyone believes that it is incorrect: The Introduction section states that the document describes technical mechanisms that censorship regimes around the world use for blocking or impairing Internet traffic. In my opinion, the reader would expect that the points of control (Section 3.1) are/were used for impairing Internet traffic. Section 3 is about the identification of "technical" points of control. One of the examples given is that of a Regional Internet Registry which issues a Route Origination Authorization when it is requested to do so by one of the members of the Registry. The argument is that the Registry can be compelled by law to issue a Route Origination Authorization which is not compliant with its practices. The traffic for the "prefix" would then be redirected to another entity. Given the above, the two ends would not communicate as expected (there are RFCs which discuss end-to-end). Would that happen without a Route Origination Authorization? The example at the end of the paragraph about "Certificate Authorities" mentions "TLS interception". Wouldn't that be detected when the certificate is verified by the receiving side? I suggest reviewing the issue which you described and the text instead of saying that the text is out of place. Regards, S. Moonesamy
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- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Mallory Knodel
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- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
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- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Lars Eggert
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- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… David Oliver
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Chelsea Komlo
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… David Oliver
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Chelsea Komlo
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Amelia Andersdotter
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Chelsea Komlo
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… S. Moonesamy
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… S. Moonesamy
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… S. Moonesamy
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Pearg] Research Group Last Call for "A Surve… S. Moonesamy