Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extension work)

Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> Mon, 16 December 2019 07:19 UTC

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Subject: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extension work)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 09:18:52 +0200
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Hi,

On 2019-12-13, at 20:05, Olivier Bonaventure <olivier.bonaventure@tessares.net> wrote:
> Do you have any specific plans for the multipath work ?

thanks for reminding us about that! There is of course no intention of dropping the multipath work item from the charter. It's already in the charter and will remain there, so it's not affected by this rechartering.

(One could call multipath an extension and mention it alongside the others in the modification that Mark posted in the first message of this thread. Personally, I see it as a much more fundamental - and difficult - update to the base protocol, and therefore would keep it highlighted in the way it currently is in the charter.)

I think we'll be ready to start having discussions on multipath in parallel to working on these new extensions; I do expect the multipath work to progress at a slower pace, however. While we don't have to start at zero thanks to MPTCP, hard challenges remain (e.g., when pooling capacity, can we do it in a way that doesn't leave us operating near the max. RTT of the paths?)

Lars