Re: Re-chartering for extension work
Ian Swett <ianswett@google.com> Tue, 17 December 2019 17:37 UTC
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From: Ian Swett <ianswett@google.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 12:37:07 -0500
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Subject: Re: Re-chartering for extension work
To: Kuhn Nicolas <Nicolas.Kuhn@cnes.fr>
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I think the satellite use case is an important one, but I have a number of concerns with the approach in that draft, so I don't believe it's ready for adoption. On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 12:29 PM Kuhn Nicolas <Nicolas.Kuhn@cnes.fr> wrote: > Hi Mark, Lars, > > Many meetings discussed the impacts of QUIC encryption on satellite > Performance-enhancing proxy (PEP) and the benefit of exchanging additional > transport parameters. > draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp was mentioned as a possible extension during « > Quick QUIC Update » presentation. > > We have updated draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp-05 as an extension of QUIC. > We propose to include it in the re-chartering discussion. > > Regards, > Nicolas, Emile and Gorry > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/slides-106-tsvarea-quick-quic-update-mark-nottingham-00.pdf > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kuhn-quic-0rtt-bdp-05 > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : QUIC <quic-bounces@ietf.org> De la part de Mark Nottingham > Envoyé : mercredi 11 décembre 2019 22:38 > À : IETF QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org> > Cc : Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> > Objet : Re-chartering for extension work > > We've just put out Calls for Adoption for extensions to QUICv1, as we > believe that the group has some capacity to discuss them as it finishes > work on the core protocol. > > However, our charter [1] precludes work on at least some extensions. The > specific text in question is: > > """ > Extensions that will support partial reliability, and negotiation and use > of Forward Error Correction schemes, are out of scope in this version of > the working group charter. > """ > > *If* we do decide we'd like to adopt, we'll need to update it to something > like: > > """ > Additionally, the Working Group will deliver [ adopted extensions ]. The > Working Group may consider other extension work, but adopting further > extensions requires updating this charter. > """ > > Please take a look and discuss any concerns; we'll be asking our ADs for > such a modification (with appropriate changes to the list of extensions > adopted) once our Calls for Adoption complete. > > Cheers, > > 1. https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/quic/about/ > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > >
- Re-chartering for extension work Mark Nottingham
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Jana Iyengar
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Lubashev, Igor
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Martin Thomson
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Roni Even (A)
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Mark Nottingham
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Mark Nottingham
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Mark Nottingham
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Roni Even (A)
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Mark Nottingham
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Roni Even (A)
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Magnus Westerlund
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Roni Even (A)
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Salz, Rich
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Lubashev, Igor
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work David Schinazi
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Mark Nottingham
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Mark Nottingham
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work David Schinazi
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Olivier Bonaventure
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Roni Even (A)
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Lars Eggert
- Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extension w… Lars Eggert
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Christian Huitema
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Mike Bishop
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Kuhn Nicolas
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Ian Swett
- Re: [EToSat] Re-chartering for extension work Christian Huitema
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Jana Iyengar
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Lars Eggert
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Magnus Westerlund
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Magnus Westerlund
- RE: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Florin Baboescu
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Olivier Bonaventure
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Roni Even (A)
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Ryan Hamilton
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Lubashev, Igor
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Jana Iyengar
- RE:(2) Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for exte… Madhan Raj Kanagarathinam
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Lars Eggert
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Lars Eggert
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Roni Even (A)
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Roni Even (A)
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Lars Eggert
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Magnus Westerlund
- RE: Re-chartering for extension work Kuhn Nicolas
- RE: [EToSat] Re-chartering for extension work Kuhn Nicolas
- Re: Multipath Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: Multipath Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Tommy Pauly
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Jana Iyengar
- RE: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… tim.costello
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Lubashev, Igor
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Martin Thomson
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Lucas Pardue
- Re: Re-chartering for extension work Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: Multipath (was: Re: Re-chartering for extensi… Mirja Kuehlewind
- QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Erik Nygren
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Tommy Pauly
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Salz, Rich
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Eric Rescorla
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Ted Hardie
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Jari Arkko
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Magnus Westerlund
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Stephen Farrell
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Christian Huitema
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Daniel Migault
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Erik Nygren
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Salz, Rich
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Christopher Wood
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Ian Swett
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Vidhi Goel
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Paul Vixie
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Erik Nygren
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Erik Kline
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Martin Duke
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Paul Vixie
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Lucas Pardue
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Erik Kline
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Martin Thomson
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Erik Nygren
- Re: QUIC re-chartering: include DNS-over-QUIC? Paul Vixie