Re: Draft response to New Liaison Statement, "LS on ATSSS Phase 2 conclusions"

Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 11 December 2020 18:25 UTC

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From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 12:24:56 -0600
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Subject: Re: Draft response to New Liaison Statement, "LS on ATSSS Phase 2 conclusions"
To: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
Cc: "Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo)" <hannu.flinck@nokia-bell-labs.com>, QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>, Waqar Zia <wzia@qti.qualcomm.com>
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Hi, Lars,

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:33 AM Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 2020-12-11, at 11:29, Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo) <
> hannu.flinck@nokia-bell-labs.com> wrote:
> > Shouldn't the response say something about the expectation of
> experimentations?
>
> could you make a text suggestion? It's not fully clear to me what you
> think we should say.
>

I'm not Hannu, so Hannu should answer this, but if you do end up with text
about experimentation in the proposed liaison back, you might point out
that the QUIC working group would appreciate hearing results of
experimentation from people who participate in 3GPP.

We often remind other SDOs that the best way to work IETF is to participate
in IETF working groups (and that's exactly what
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3113/?include_text=1 says explicitly to
3GPP), but saying "and please tell us your experimental results" is
different enough from other ways that other SDOs have worked with the IETF,
that it might be worth saying explicitly.

Do The Right Thing, of course.

Best,

Spencer

>
> Thanks,
> Lars
>