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Re: Re-chartering for extension work

Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> Thu, 19 December 2019 06:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: Re-chartering for extension work
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:45:34 +0200
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Hi,

On 2019-12-19, at 1:38, Lubashev, Igor <ilubashe@akamai.com> wrote:
> I support considering WG Charter as a "promise to IETF" as to the scope of work the group will and will not do.  As such, re-chartering frequently is the same as changing your promises frequently.  Not good.  If a re-charter is needed, I'd rather it be honest and complete and not to contain an expectation that there may be another re-charter "soon".

there is no expectation that charters need to remain stable over long periods of time, esp. for busy WGs. And the current recharter as well as the future ones I can see are very minimal in scope (see the diff that Mark posted.)

Lars

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