Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS
"Ralf Weber" <dns@fl1ger.de> Wed, 21 August 2019 07:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS
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Moin! On 20 Aug 2019, at 21:30, Erik Sy wrote: > Ok, as a matter of fact we have evidence that some ISPs collected data > on their customers' private online activities with the intention to sell > this information to advertising companies. They were also fined and had to stop it. Part of the reason here is probably because unlike web companies ISP and Telcos are regulated in most parts of the world. > Your standpoint is, that this > has nothing to do with the ISP's DNS resolver or selling DNS data. Yes because I have not seen evidence and certainly not broad evidence needed to call this a common practice which a lot of people do. I’ve seen lots of evidence of people abusing HTTP (the once you cite being one) to invade user privacy. Thus I want my name resolution to go to my ISP and not to some web server operator I have no relationship with. > I have no explanation why an ISP should apply better privacy protections > to their customers DNS data compared to the customers network traffic > because both enable a significant monitoring of the users' online > activities. Do you have an explanation for this? Yes. ISP/Telcos are usually big organisations. DNS mostly is seen as a network function and thus is within some kind of engineering department. Engineers have a different mindset on data then say people working in a marketing department, which usually is where these advertising programs originate. So long -Ralf --- Ralf Weber
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- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS John Levine
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Joe Abley
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ted Hardie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS John R Levine
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Eric Orth
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ted Hardie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Fred Baker
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Joe Abley
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS John R Levine
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS John Levine
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Eric Orth
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS John Levine
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ted Lemon
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ted Lemon
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ted Hardie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ted Lemon
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ted Hardie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Anne Bennett
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Steffen Nurpmeso
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ralf Weber
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS John Levine
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Anne Bennett
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ted Hardie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Eric Orth
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS John Levine
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS John Levine
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ralf Weber
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Anne Bennett
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ralf Weber
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ted Lemon
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ted Lemon
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ted Lemon
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ted Lemon
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Eric Osterweil
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Eric Osterweil
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Eric Osterweil
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Ted Lemon
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Joe Abley
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Eric Osterweil
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Joe Abley
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Joe Abley
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Bob Harold
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Erik Sy
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS Paul Vixie