Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Editor Future Development Program

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Mon, 30 March 2020 21:12 UTC

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From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
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Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Editor Future Development Program
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> On 31 Mar 2020, at 7:37 am, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> what are the basic principles
> of the RFC series and its Editor's role? I'm not sure that has really ever been
> properly written down as a separate "mission statement" or whatever.


One thing that occurred to me recently is that, while this program is defined with the following scope:

>  Discussion of changes to how the RFC Editor function is managed, staffed, and overseen are all within scope. 

It isn't said whether discussion of the RFC Series itself (and potential changes to it) are in scope. Defining the principles of the series seems like it's more the latter than the former.

Could we (Eliot?) come to some determination about whether the latter is in scope or not for this program? I suspect having that well understood -- either way it goes -- will help considerably.

Cheers,

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