Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Future Development Program
"Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com> Thu, 02 April 2020 21:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Future Development Program
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John, I'd like to dig into your reply a bit. We've both been through our share of AUTH48s. When I get the proposed changes and questions back from the RFC Editor, I do my best to make sure that the primary output format (until recently, the text format, and going forward, the HTML format) will be correct from a content point of view and hasn't changed anything technically substantive - changes are strictly editorial or to correct errors like typos. If necessary, I've consulted with the responsible AD to make sure that she or he agrees with the proposed changes. I then trust the RFC Editor that the secondary formats (PDF, etc.) will match the primary from a content viewpoint. But following this process, I'm fairly certain that "the to-be-published RFC, in all its published formats, reflects the intent of the author and the body that approved it." So I'm curious why you feel that's not possible. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 3:59 PM John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote: > In article <0ac801d6089c$c36031b0$4a209510$@acm.org> you write: > >IMHO, the "real problem" from a publishing workflow point of view is > that there is a workflow task that is not explicitly > >assigned, namely to validate that the to-be-published RFC, in all its > published formats, reflects the intent of the author > >and the body that approved it. > > Trust me, that's not possible. > > R's, > John > > -- > Rfced-future mailing list > Rfced-future@iab.org > https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/rfced-future >
- [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Future D… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Lucy Lynch
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… John Levine
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Larry Masinter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Larry Masinter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… jmh.direct@joelhalpern.com
- [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before approval… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Larry Masinter
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… Russ Housley
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… Russ Housley
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… John Levine
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… John Levine
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… John R. Levine
- [Rfced-future] Up level [Re: AUTH48 and editing b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… Russ Housley
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Larry Masinter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… John R. Levine
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Julian Reschke
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Carsten Bormann
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- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Julian Reschke
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… John R. Levine
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… Russ Housley
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… John R. Levine
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] AUTH48 and editing before appr… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] Welcome to the RFC Editor Futu… John Levine
- Re: [Rfced-future] [IAB] Welcome to the RFC Edito… Mark Nottingham