Re: [rtcweb] Question about ICE-Lite server

Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Mon, 07 July 2014 09:03 UTC

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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Thread-Topic: [rtcweb] Question about ICE-Lite server
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Question about ICE-Lite server
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Hi,

>>> I'm hope not. Implementing ICE-Lite in a server is trivial.
>>> Implementing full ICE is an overhead in a server. Please not. It is
>>> Firefox which must adhere to the standard and use regular nomination
>>> when the peer is ICE-Lite.
>>
>>
>> Well, we're currently discussing what the standards should say.
>> If we decide that counterparties to WebRTC do full ICE (just like
>> we've required them to do a bunch of other stuff) then it will be
>> the other side which needs to adjust.
>
>
> Of course. I just hope such a decision is not taken given the amount
> of server side implementations relying on ICE-Lite (and the fact that
> it is not so hard for full ICE clients to behave correctly when
> talking to a lite peer).

+1.

I also we more or less had agreed on this in the past, that ICE-Lite is ok e.g. for gateways.

Regards,

Christer