Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Wed, 10 April 2024 15:05 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, Simon Josefsson <simon=40josefsson.org@dmarc.ietf.org>
CC: Paul Wouters <paul.wouters=40aiven.io@dmarc.ietf.org>, "saag@ietf.org" <saag@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime
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> Given that, “the IETF's job is not to *document* protocols but to  develop and standardize them”,
> why should the IETF offer a free file service for documenting protocols?

I would really hope that we are not that petty.  But I think John Scudder's response is on the mark here