Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime

[Eliot Lear <[e-mail]>]

Rich

Thanks for digging up the reference.  Actually, this makes RFC 8447 even 
more problematic.  you and EKR are technically correct: the normal 
process to create an IETF standard was followed.

But only in the letter and not the spirit.  The change was buried in an 
IANA considerations section of a WG document most people didn't and 
wouldn't read.  So I don't think you can reasonably argue that there was 
IETF consensus or what others might call meaningful consent/meaningful 
consensus for the change.  It should be pretty clear from this and other 
discussions that had that statement been called out, the draft would not 
have attained IETF consensus.

And now the IESG's own statement and RFC 8447 are in conflict.

But we are here.  Let's not claim some sort of precedent for a mistake, 
nor repeat it.  Rather, let's use the mistake to our advantage by 
creating some questions relating to drafts as references that are 
testable over time, and then see what we learn.

Eliot

On 25.03.2024 20:01, Salz, Rich wrote:
>
> Has the IETF committed itself - through an actual public discussion - 
> of making the IDs archival? Keeping them online - yes.  Keeping them 
> at a fixed URL, I think not and I think RFC8447 was a mistake. 
> Referencing RFC8477 as precedent for Murray's question seems problematic.
>
> If you really want to know, perhaps ask tools-discuss email? Or search 
> the email archives.
>
> Someone sent me a pointer off-line. Thanks to that person, who wishes 
> to remain anonymous :) The IESG issued a statement in October 2012 [1] 
> after starting a discussion the month before [2].  The discussion was, 
> shall we say, “extensive.”
>
> [1] 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-iesg-statement-on-removal-of-an-internet-draft-from-the-ietf-web-site-20121025/
>
> [2] 
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/Jea_pkJrsgI1dUWvaNdROPY5KCs/
>
>
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