Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime
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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>
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Subject: Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime
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Has the IETF committed itself - through an actual public discussion - of making the IDs archival? Keeping them online - yes. Keeping them at a fixed URL, I think not and I think RFC8447 was a mistake. Referencing RFC8477 as precedent for Murray's question seems problematic. If you really want to know, perhaps ask tools-discuss email? Or search the email archives. Someone sent me a pointer off-line. Thanks to that person, who wishes to remain anonymous :) The IESG issued a statement in October 2012 [1] after starting a discussion the month before [2]. The discussion was, shall we say, “extensive.” [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-iesg-statement-on-removal-of-an-internet-draft-from-the-ietf-web-site-20121025/ [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/Jea_pkJrsgI1dUWvaNdROPY5KCs/
- [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Harry Halpin
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Paul Wouters
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eliot Lear
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eliot Lear
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Orie Steele
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eliot Lear
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eliot Lear
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Jan-Frederik Rieckers
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Orie Steele
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael StJohns
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Orie Steele
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael StJohns
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Salz, Rich
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael StJohns
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Salz, Rich
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Salz, Rich
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eliot Lear
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael StJohns
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Ira McDonald
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael StJohns
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Salz, Rich
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Salz, Rich
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eliot Lear
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Salz, Rich
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime S Moonesamy
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Russ Housley
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Melinda Shore
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael Richardson
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Simon Josefsson
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Orie Steele
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael Richardson
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Christian Huitema
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael Richardson
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Paul Wouters
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Paul Wouters
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Simon Josefsson
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eliot Lear
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Salz, Rich
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael StJohns
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael StJohns
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime StJohns, Michael
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Watson Ladd
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael StJohns
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eric Rescorla
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Watson Ladd
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime S Moonesamy
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Paul Wouters
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Simon Josefsson
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime S Moonesamy
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Salz, Rich
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Paul Wouters
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Deb Cooley
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Simon Josefsson
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Christian Huitema
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Watson Ladd
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Paul Wouters
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Mark Baushke (ietf)
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael Richardson
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael Richardson
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Simon Josefsson
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Stephen Farrell