Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Wed, 10 April 2024 16:05 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2024 09:05:18 -0700
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To: Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>
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Subject: Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 7:42 AM Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> wrote:

> Given that, “the IETF's job is not to *document* protocols but to
> develop and standardize them”,
> why should the IETF offer a free file service for documenting protocols?
>

To clarify my position here: I don't think the IETF should spend
significant resources
on documenting non-IETF protocols, hence we shouldn't publish them as RFCs.

Given that we already offer a service for publishing draft specifications
(i.e., IDs)
and that we maintain that for our own purposes, and the marginal cost of
others
using that service is near zero, I don't see a problem with them using it
that way.

-Ekr