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Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Wed, 10 April 2024 16:07 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2024 09:07:04 -0700
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To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
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Subject: Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 8:09 AM Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
wrote:

>
> Hiya,
>
> On 10/04/2024 14:36, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > I think perhaps this is the source of our difference of opinion; the
> IETF's
> > job is not to*document*  protocols but to develop and standardize them.
>
> That may well capture the reason for different opinions,
> but, in this case, SSH is an important Internet protocol
> that has previously been documented in RFCs and that has
> had an IETF WG, so I think we'd be pretty unwise to push
> away people who'd like to document changes to that protocol,
> esp when the whole pq thing is in such flux.
>

I'm not proposing to push them away. I'm saying that that documentation
does not require an RFC but rather that an ID is fine.

-Ekr


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