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Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Mon, 25 March 2024 14:35 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 07:34:39 -0700
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Subject: Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 7:25 AM Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> wrote:

> Eric,
>
> On 25.03.2024 15:23, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > Why does it make sense to require some third party to host a spec with
> > unclear stability properties when we already have a way of hosting
> > with clear stability properties?
>
> I'm not requiring anything, but you and I are disagreeing about the
> stability properties of drafts.
>

I'm not sure what you think that disagreement is about, as those properties
are quite clear:

1. Any individual draft version doesn't change.
2. Whether subsequent versions are issued or are different is up to the
authors, but it's visible when it happens because the version increments.

The properties of a document hosted on someone's web site are that it can
be changed at any time and those changes may or may not be visible. Why do
you think this is more stable?

-Ekr

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