Re: [saag] [EXTERNAL] Re: About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG"
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From: "Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0)" <charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov>
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Thread-Topic: [EXTERNAL] Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG"
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Subject: Re: [saag] [EXTERNAL] Re: About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG"
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Hi I think the charter looks fine. Thanks Chuck Charles J. Sheehe III Computer Engineer Secure Networks, System Integration and Test Branch (LCN) Glenn Research Center 21000 Brookpark Rd Cleveland, OH 44135 Charles.J.Sheehe@NASA.GOV Email Charles.J.Sheehe@NSS.SGov.Gov SIPRmail Office: 216-433-5179 It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. Theodore Roosevelt -----Original Message----- From: saag <saag-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 2:23 PM To: Kampanakis, Panos <kpanos@amazon.com>; Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>; saag@ietf.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG" Hi! We've heard this confusion on using the "maintenance" short hand to characterize this potential body of work. The intent was what Panos described - a short hand where the "maintenance" was on existing IETF protocol to allow it to benefit from PQC mechanisms. The proposed, templated charter language more precisely captures the intent -- "The [Planned WG Name] working group ([Planned WG Acronym]) is chartered as a WG to analyze, adapt or update IETF protocols, registries, and associated code points with PQ cryptographic mechanisms." (https://github.com/rdanyliw/ietf-pq-maintenance/blob/main/pqm-charter.md <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Frdanyliw%2Fietf-pq-maintenance%2Fblob%2Fmain%2Fpqm-charter.md&data=04%7C01%7CCharles.J.Sheehe%40nasa.gov%7Cd092f22f99ec48fe1a1a08d983764e40%7C7005d45845be48ae8140d43da96dd17b%7C0%7C0%7C637685366837666194%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=mJG8R%2FPW8OcWxEdkDGyJ1P0DxvUhWd2XODuf55oYDSM%3D&reserved=0> ). I've removed "PQ maintenance" from the header of the templated charter. It now reads "PQC Agility WG". The term didn't appear in the charter text itself. However, to eliminate all possible confusion I also the one instance of maintenance by s/protocol maintenance/protocol changes/. Roman From: Kampanakis, Panos <kpanos@amazon.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 12:53 PM To: Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>; Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>; saag@ietf.org Subject: RE: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG" Maybe maintenance is the wrong word, but the point is to have a WG for orphaned (without a WG) protocols like CURDLE was for Curve25519/448. From: saag <saag-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:saag-bounces@ietf.org> > On Behalf Of Salz, Rich Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 12:41 PM To: Ludovic Perret <ludovic.perret@cryptonext-security.com <mailto:ludovic.perret@cryptonext-security.com> >; Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org <mailto:rdd@cert.org> >; Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu <mailto:kaduk@mit.edu> >; saag@ietf.org <mailto:saag@ietf.org> Cc: Kampanakis, Panos <kpanos=40amazon.com@dmarc.ietf.org <mailto:kpanos=40amazon.com@dmarc.ietf.org> > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance WG" CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe. I find the concept of post-quantum *maintenance* very strange.
- [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Maintenance… Ludovic Perret
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Yaron Sheffer
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Yaron Sheffer
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Kampanakis, Panos
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Kampanakis, Panos
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Ludovic Perret
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Salz, Rich
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Kampanakis, Panos
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Salz, Rich
- Re: [saag] [EXTERNAL] Re: About the "Draft text f… Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0)
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Kampanakis, Panos
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Rebecca Guthrie
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Mike Prorock
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Mike Prorock
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Kampanakis, Panos
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Kampanakis, Panos
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Rebecca Guthrie
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Mike Prorock
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Christine Cloostermans
- Re: [saag] About the "Draft text for a PQ Mainten… Kampanakis, Panos